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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31384481

    The ever increasing TV deal income to the premier league shows no sign of abating.

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    At this point i think we need to consider what it means:

    1. Most of this never benefits the clubs or fans, it goes straight to agents and players wages... I think someone called it diarrhea. the money runs straight through the clubs like a bad dose of food poisoning.

    2. Small clubs will be awash with cash and will spend far more thus inflating wages and fees.

    3. FFP rules will go out the window cos a 4mil wage increase per year when revenue jumps this much isn't going to happen.
     
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  2. Tobes

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    If the PL is serious about protecting it's future as the best league in the World, then it needs to ensure that it's clubs use this cash for development of stadia and infrastructure, as opposed to merely lining agents and players pockets.

    I sincerely hope that they have the collective sense to maintain the £4m per season uplift limit.
     
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  3. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Agents fees need to be banned. Any money they want should come from a percentage of the player's income. See how much the players think they're worth then.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I'd agree with this. If the fans at least saw better facilities for thier ticket price it'd be something.

    in the end looking at this tv money a bit of careful planning and LFC should easily pay for the redevelopment out of it



    I'd also agree that agent fees are incentivising agents to badly advise thier assets. They should be maximizing the players return but in the end if a city turn up for a scott sinclair the agent is happy to take the one big hit and the player then vanishes.

    I think yes 10% over the contract is fairer as the guy needs to think what about the 10% for the next contract the player gets as a bad placement of his player could mean a tiny wage on the next contract.

    IMO we are seeing this right now with sterling. I am sure he wants a higher rate but his agent i think doesn't want him to sign and is seeing a huge pay off for himself if the lad goes to real or whatever and he doesn't care after that.
     
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    Sir_Red Well-Known Member

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    the £4mil uplift seems entirely unreasonable when city and chelsea have humongous wage bills and tons of slack they can cut out if needs be. £4mil gets you one player now, surely that really stuffs those clubs lower down in the table or that have just come up from the champ?

    As for the Rights money, ultimately it is us that gets shafted. Ticket prices will continue as per usual and sky will roll on the increased bid fees to customers, so expect a hike in the price of sky sports. The only benefit I can see is to HMRC. More money will get spent on wages, which they can take a nice juicy 50% of.
     
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    There's a £52m 'minimum' level before the £4m per season cap comes into effect.

    So a Championship club can increase theirs by a massive %age when they join the gravy train

    The PL FFP rules also restrict the total losses that can be declared at a maximum of £105m over 3 seasons.
     
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  7. If we must have agents, why can't they be FA employed on a (handsome) salary with no further commission type financial benefits etc? Take it out the TV money. Only player interest would matter then.

    Obviously, this would need to be a world wide implementation though and that's where the problem is
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    how many prem club currently have a 52mil wage bil?

    I mean i found

    http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/

    http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/wage-and-the-premier-league-scaled-table

    In reality most of the prem fall under the rule and prob all now.
     
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    I think you'll find that they often already do, in addition to the lump sums paid by the club.

    Rooney pays Stetford a fixed %age of his total income.
     
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    That's what I mean, only a percentage of the players they represent. Lump sums or payments straight to the agent should be considered de facto 3rd party ownership or bribes.

    The negotiation of agents fees should only be between the agent and their player.
     
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    Most of the established PL clubs, but the newly promoted clubs will be paying way less when they first come up, so they've got the headroom to 'catch up' with the reast under the current rules.
     
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    You'd be surprised. Here's our allegedly leaked wage bill (and they seem to tie in with what we all thought they were anecdotally)
    It adds up to around 70-80 mil per year...

    So I would say the top 6 clubs would easily clear 52mil

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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    jus ton agents... fifa are looking to ban agents owning players registrations now and this third party crap.

    agents are meant to be there to get the best commercial deals for the player and an awful lot of off field stuff so i'd want mine to be the best not some standard FA guy.

    I feel players need to have a lawyer as well as agent and to keep their agent in thier place. The player should be desiring maximum return subject to bes tpossible career.

    If I was a messi fine whatever thats easy but if you are sterling you should be wanting as many medals and a big england career as much as possible not just an extra 5million over 10 years cos frnakly the image rights and the NEXT 30 years as pundits etc will come if you've an amazing career rather than simply be a sub at city for that extra 5mil.

    I find it short sighted personally. careers are not just ten years or 3 contracts. they are actually from 17 to 65 potentially... you only need look at thierry henry as a legend in england so he's got 4 mil a year from sky.

    if he'd left arsneal and gone to wherever earlier and sat on a bench would he be there now? no.

    same for neville... 90 england caps but head off form utd for cash and where'd he be?
     
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  14. Sir_Red

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    I think it's banned in the prem by the FA anyway, but it's common over in Italy, dodgy scroungers.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    a lot of these are well off. coutinh owasn't on that much for example but they are just up and down. theres a lot more salary in the club as well on top of course too
     
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  16. It is, has been done before Tevez and Mascherano joined West Ham hence the club getting the large fine etc
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    agreed. it is modern human trafficking especially out of africa and south america an i think its rotten
     
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