I am sure TCs experience of actually seeing players is similar to mine. That is why we list players like Carter, Waggy or Chilton and not players from other eras up until very recently. I saw them when I lived in Hull. I moved to Derby before coming to the USA in the 1970s.and therefore saw none of the Hull City teams until recently unless I was visiting relations and friends in Hull. When they achieved PL status they very occasionally were shown on TV over here on channels that you had to buy a special package for. Most likely the games shown were the Man U /Arsenal/ Liverpool, etc., games (surprise surprise). So our chance to see Hull City players was very limited. It was only this season when NBC bought the PL rights that ALL the PL games are shown on a national channel every week (or weekday). Thus TC has seen more of this season's current team (as I have) than that of recent times when for example Andy Dawson was playing.
So what. It's based on how many times I've seen him play (live or televised). First time City were in the top league 08-10, maybe 3-4 of their games were televised. Championship games are almost never shown over here. He didn't play for us in the premier league in the last 2 years did he ? I've seen Robertson play every game this season. I prefer Robertson to Dawson. Wasn't the question favourite City XI ? My logic is sound, you're answering a different question.
.................Wealands.................. Davison Turner Jobson De Vries ........Butler Simpkin Houghton ............... Geovanni .................... ....... Edwards Wagstaff ............. on the bench Norman, Daniels, Turner, Askew, Lord, Chillo and Windass
From what I've heard, in those days the players and staff were much more like regular people and socialized locally. There were no airs or pretensions. My Grandparents used to speak very highly of Ken Houghton but they said Waggy was "a bit odd"! Terry Neil and Jeff Barmby were also popular. When Terry Neil moved onto the Arsenal job, he invited my Grandparents down to London and set them up with tickets.
That's a fact...I'll take your word for it. I think I saw 3 live, maybe 1 on telly, but I honestly can't vouch for that last bit. Irrelevant to a) the OP's question, b)my responses to the OP's question, or c) my explanation in post #56. And you question my logic ? You prefer Dawson to Robertson. Excellent. I've no problem with that. So here we have it: Your selection of favourite City players.. ?? ?? ?? ?? Dawson ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? subs: ??........?? Or have I got the formation wrong ?
This is my team which includes only players I have seen at attended matches. So from 1946-1966 - from there a cup final, 1 premier league match and a couple of others. It is my favourite team and not my best team! Bly. Davidson Jenson. Houghton Franklin Harris Harrison Buchan Murphy Carter Burbanks.
You know Mr. B_M_B, I remember all those names, saw quite a few of them, except Buchan. It can't be the Charlie Buchan of the football magazine fame (& Sunderland player) can it ? What was it, Charlie Buchan's Football Monthly - my gran used to treat me to a copy every now & again. I would think not, he's gotta be a lot older than you & me. What was he like - any comparisons possible ?
Now THAT's the formation, though I'd pick a few different players in some positions. Seriously, how would City's 1966 team (all fully fit) cope with any of Brucie's City teams?
My dad said the '66 vintage was great going forward but weak in defence. The City team that humbled Liverpool last season & was heroic in the FA Cup final would win, but the Waggy team would beat the current first XI.. I personally love the '88/89' & '07/08' versions but the football played at the KC vs Leeds (2-0) a couple of seasons ago was sublime
Of course, we all know it's impossible to compare different eras of footballers on fitness, nutritional advances, technological advances (balls, boots, state of pitches etc). Modern day footballers, Hull City included, win hands down. Rules of the game changes (most obvious one is that the tackle doesn't exist in the modern game) has in general increased the average skill level of players in a specific way..... they can cheat better - diving, feigning injury, gaining "unfair" advantage by conning refs in the "softer" rules environment. The only real factors left to compare are the relative "skill" levels of the players and the coaching techniques & coaches ability to "manage" players. By skill levels I include: beating a man in close quarters to make space. Picking out a pass that leads to a goal scoring chance, making a tackle to win a ball & turn it to attacking advantage. This last point is somewhat diluted in the modern game (not being able to tackle properly without conceding a foul). I would say Hull City's team of 65/66 was ounce for ounce more technically gifted individually and as a team with a coaching emphasis that is more successful. That is..."Full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes". We'll concede a couple, but we'll score 4. Not afraid to tackle . Waggy wasn't the worlds most diligent tackler (or header of the ball, which often is used as a form of "tackle"). Mind you, he didn't need to be because the team was full of them and they just fed him the ball. Among their obvious talents, both Chris Chilton & Ken Houghton were superb tacklers. and doing something productive with it afterwards. The likes of Davidson, Knighton & Simpkin make that job look easy. Coaching - there are always good & bad coaches/managers. City have had their share of both. No advantage old vs new imo. In the 60's we had goalscorers - at least 5 on the pitch who scored regulary (Houghton, Chilton, Wagstaff, Butler and Henderson). Who needed subs ? Well nobody really, they were not allowed. Maybe the 60's defense was weaker than present day, but it was almost irrelevant...invariably we had the fire -power to combat those defensive frailties. You can't say that about today's team.
That was Willie Buchan who started his career with Celtic before going to Blackpool and playing with Matthews/ Mortenson then on to Hull City. Only played the 1948/49 season with us before moving on. Every team needs a specialist penalty taker and he was the king. He took penalty kicks for every team he played for and throughout his 23 year career he never missed one. His technique left goalies completely bemused - either they went the wrong way or just remained rooted to the spot as the ball entered 1 of the corners of the net. I went on to take penalties for all the teams I played for and used his technique for the 30 years I played the game. I coached after that and my penalty taker was always shown the Buchan way. So you can see why he made my favourite team
I was going to put my favorites but I can't remember all their names but Bly ,Carter. Jenson, Waggy, Ian Butler and Chilton would be in there.
Yep Willie Buchan was one of my favorites, his penalty taking was brilliant always got the goaly to dive wrong way, but its common place now. He scored two against Rotherham one Christmas in the Late 40's which still live as two of the best I had seen. I remember a school mate Tig Hall taking one in a school cup final but their goaly was wise to it and saved it . WE lost!!
