That's what i meant. If there was an offer on the table between united and someone else (say Everton) i think he would be tempted to take the everton one.
I don't see how the problem is with the surroundings, or how joining another club as opposed to staying at United could do him much good other than giving him a slight mental boost which would count for just about zip. What could Everton, or someone else, possibly do for him that we can't?
It's not the surroundings and all that, but if you've been in the same place for a while and everything seems to be going wrong (just got back from knee surgery, dislocated shoulder etc.) he might just want to get away from what has been a pretty awful time for him here, other than his first season.
It was mooted at times that his fitness wasn't in question, it was his mental state regarding his injuries, getting over the psychological barrier, pretty much not wanting to push your body because of the fear that it will let you down. Everyone gets it, I slipped coming out of the shower the other day and sprained my ankle, now every time I get out of the shower I get the feeling something bad will happen before I make that solid step. Having faith in your body and abilities. They say that having a positive outlook aids recovery. I think he will get back to fitness, it's the change of surroundings that might help him get the shackles of his injuries off him.
I really don't want him to go! we're reshaping our team totally with scholes, neville, o'shea, brown, VDS leaving. I know it's not like hargo has played that much, but when i look at him i see him in a united shirt and it's hard to look at a former player and thinking you'll never see them play in it again :'(
Mooted by who exactly? If he was that much afraid he could have retired years ago. I know placebo might help a bit but it's not going to be the difference between fitness and having to retire. You don't miss three years because you don't have a positive outlook. If anything the fear should help him because he should not push his body but ease to fitness slowly. When he started against Wolves he certainly didn't look afraid to me. So I think you're pretty delusional in thinking he'll suddenly magically get fit just because he's laying on a treatment table somewhere else. He might willingly jump on the chance to swap surroundings but I don't see how it would help him. I really think he has little choice but to hang up his boots. Certainly his career at the highest level is over.
A few years ago, by himself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ome-psychological-hurdle-battles-fitness.html
He needs confidence to make a comeback, AFTER getting physically fit. That's only normal. But the problem is that almost all of the last three years he has not been physically fit. The lack of confidence might have prevented him from playing to his full potential IF he was fit but he wasn't, and in all likelihood will never be. Lacking confidence did not cause his knees to breaking down. Don't mistake two different things
I disagree. I genuinely think that he has been fit otherwise he wouldn't have earmarked for a return to the first team. If he can't get fit then I agree with you in the fact that his professional career is tragically over. But I don't think it is.
Um you really think he was subbed after 6 minutes against Wolves because he lacked confidence? Do you really think he's been sent to umpteen knee surgeries because he lacked confidence? Do you really think the tendinitis, the umpteen strains and just about every physical injury in the book are all just because he lacked confidence, nothing to do with the physical fitness (or rather lack of it) of his body? I really cannot understand how you can believe that when a huge amount of undisputable evidence claims otherwise. If the problem was in his head we would have sent him to a shrink not the world's best knee surgeon. He has not been physically fit to play professional football. That causes the lack of confidence, not the other way around.
And he has been earmarked for a return but hasn't returned for a very simple reason: he has always suffered yet another injury setback.
The injury against Wolves had nothing to do with his knee. I've never said that his confidence or lackthereof causes his injuries, all I've said is that a change of scenery might help with recovery and maintaining his fitness.
But it was still a physical injury just like the rest. Doesn't really matter if it's his knee or thigh or shoulder or whatever, when you're not physically fit to play then you're not. You are saying he has been fit which I find an utterly incredible thing to claim. What exactly are you basing this belief on?
They do, but it's not always players that have been around for so long (scholes, g.nev) it feels like we're coming to the end of an era
Help him how? He spent a year in America, that's a change of scenery in my book, and it did sod all to help him. I don't see what anyone can for him that we haven't done umpteen times already. He still has to do the same sort of training and his body just can't cope with it without some part of it breaking down. And no, that's not all you've said, see #25
Look at his videos. Is that someone who needs crutches to get around? I'm not saying that he's ready to go out and play in a competitive match, but from the looks of it, he is training at a level of a professional footballer. I have also said that he has been fit, do you think he would have played against Wolves if he wasn't fit? At the time I posted that Daily Mail link from 2009, it was said that he needs to overcome the psychological barriers. At the point of the Wolves match he might have overcome them, something similar may have occured since then. The only people that do know about his body and mental state is Owen and the United medical staff.
And #25 I said "I think he will get back to fitness, it's the change of surroundings that might help him get the shackles of his injuries off him." I implied that he isn't fit presently and that a new club can help remove the memories/feelings of injuries that must surround him at United. Hence helping him maintaining fitness if he should get back to level. You think he won't get back to that level. I think he will get back to some sort of fitness where he can play football again.
