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  1. DevAdvocate

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    When In a hole, best stop digging
     
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    Einstein was JUST a theoretical Physicist, he never proved anything, they were just theories.
     
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  3. King Shergar

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    He taught them martial arts, and most martial arts training does not involve any real fighting.

    I don't see why people think that because someone is good at martial arts that they are automatically a formidable fighter. In most martial arts you don't have to fight for real to reach the top grades, it's really all about memorising moves, and perfecting them against thin air.

    A lot of martial artists will choose to fight for real to prove themselves, but you don't have to :biggrin:
     
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    I preferred David Carradine
     
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  5. King Shergar

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    No digging at all, like I say give me some proof of Lee fighting for real?

    The only people who are in a hole are you guys, as you have no evidence to support your claim that Lee was a great fighter.

    Great martial artist? For sure. Great fighter though? No way :biggrin:
     
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    You have no evidence to support this either.

    Not having a go, just trying to keep things balanced.

    For the record I think Lee would win against the majority of his not-to-be opponents. He'd certainly destroy Tyson but would come unstuck against Dev.
     
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    So .......you reached the level of black belt without ever fighting anyone?

    No tournaments ? No sparring ?

    Possible I suppose but highly unlikely.

    I think you may be talking ****e.

    Bruce Lee was trained by one of the most reaspected Martial artists of all time. This was in 1950s Hong Kong. It is known that the school were he was taught fought regular tournaments at that time.
    Yet you insist Lee never fought anybody.
    How do you know this?

    Because there is no film footage of him doing so. Video was a wee bit non existant in 50s Hong King matey.

    There is no film footage of the Roman empire so obviously it never happened.

    Shut up ya crackpot.
     
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    You said you were a Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, that's a "Contact" sport last I checked, like Aldo says, I suspect you are talking ****e.
     
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    Debate over...
     
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    <laugh>

    Why is Bruce not using his feet?
     
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    Tyson was too strong n quick <whistle>
     
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    That'll be why Lee had Boxing Gloves on, so he could get in close and allow Tyson all the advantages.
     
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    I did lots of sparring actually, but only ever in training, I was never assessed on my ability to free spar in any of my gradings. So in theory it didn't really matter, as far as passing the gradings went. We did some 1 and 2 step sparring in gradings, which is not really proper sparring as every move is planned out, so it's not free sparring. It is pretty much just performing a pattern with someone pretending to be an opponent.

    Free sparring in training was usually pretty friendly though, I sparred with a few guys that would hit you fairly hard, but most took it fairly easy. We even sometimes sparred with the girls in our class, which should give you an idea of how far away sparring is from a real fight.

    We wore gloves and pads that go over your feet, aswell as a guard over our bollocks, so we where well protected.

    I could have entered a tournament, but I couldn't really be arsed, they where always held miles away and would have taken up a whole day of my weekend. When I was 16-17 I was more interested in girls and smoking weed with my mates.

    As far as there not being videos around when Bruce Lee trained, there are plenty of videos of him performing moves and doing various other things, there are even videos of him sparring with his students.

    However there is not 1 video of him fighting for real. Lee was challenged on many occasions by some proven MMA fighters to exhibition matches, but he always declined to fight.

    Your right though I don't know for a fact Bruce Lee couldn't fight and beat a top level fighter, but the fact he never proved it, and the fact he proved he was to scared to put his holier than thou reputation on the line when he was challenged, says enough to me.

    I'd imagine he'd of been offered a lot of money to compete in a real MMA fight, as being a big movie star, and being idolised by millions it could have been promoted as a huge box office fight. But he clearly didn't trust his own ability to fight for real with his entire life long reputation on the line:biggrin:
     
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    You clearly don't know anything about Tae Kwon Do or most martial arts. It may be a sport if you choose to compete, but you don't have to compete to get through the gradings:biggrin:
     
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    He was challenged by MMA fighters like who exactly? <laugh>
     
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    Bob Wall who acted in a lot of films with Bruce Lee, was a proven tournament fighter. Even though they acted together, by all accounts they never really got on. He challenged Bruce Lee to a fight, and Lee wouldn't risk his reputation.

    Bob Wall was a Karate champion, so would have been a formidable opponent. So it's no suprise that Lee wouldn't risk his reputation, as Wall would have likely made light work of Lee.

    Bob Wall trained with some of the best, he and Chuck Norris trained together.

    Chuck Norris always dodges questions regarding Lee's skill as a fighter, but he once said Lee was good for a non fighter<laugh> what does that tell you reading between the lines?

    Many nunchuck experts have rubbished Lee's skills with the weapons, as he used them in a few of his movies. Apparently his skills with them where not that of a master martial artist :biggrin:
     
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    Well let's see one.

    I'm betting any link will show nothing except anecdotal evidence or hearsay. There are plenty stories about who Lee fought, you can take whatever you want from such tales, because the story changes depending upon who's telling it. You continually banging on about what Lee did or not do is simply you regurgitating the fables you've read as if they are gospel. It's not, it's the internet.
     
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    A famous fighter has stated that in a tournament or full-contact event, Bruce Lee wouldn’t have fared well. What are your thoughts on that?
    Bob Wall: Bruce was a great fighter and would have always done well.

    “I am not going to kill Bob Wall because we need him to complete the film.” As you know, Bruce Lee spoke those words, yet you had no fear of him. Was his fighting prowess all hype, or did you refuse to even entertain the existence of any possible threat?
    Bob Wall: More figments of Clouse’s imagination. Bruce and I were friends. Proof of this is when Bruce came back after a week off from the cut and hit me just where he was supposed to. Also, check out the stills of Bruce hugging me when my character, O’Hara, was finally dead. We wrapped Enter the Dragon in March 1973, then came back to Los Angeles and did the John Saxon golf-course scene at Griffith Park. We then shot all the Yamashita-breaking-boards-over-my-arm scenes. Bruce flew to Los Angeles on June 1, 1973, and I met him for lunch two times at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Some death threat, eh?

    http://www.blackbeltmag.com/daily/m...ce-lee-steven-seagal-and-chuck-norris-part-2/
     
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  20. Jip Jaap Stam

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    Didn't Tyson make heavy weather of beating Frank "know what I mean 'arry" Bruno? <laugh>
     
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