Assessment of Monk

[LIBERTARIAN]

This cropped up the other day and is a bit of a non-argument in my opinion. Two of the first 3 games were at home to Burnley and West Brom. Those are games we would "expect" to win - it doesn't matter whether you play them at the beginning of the season, the middle or the end. To take them out of the equation just distorts the stats thereafter for whatever point you're trying to prove.

Monk has now been in charge for 36 Premier League games. His record is W13, D9, L14 = 48 points. With two games left to complete the 'equivalent' of a full season, there's a decent chance he will amass 50 points. I defy anyone on here to say that is not a bloody good effort. Libertarian will say it's not a complete season and therefore doesn't count, blah, blah, blah.

50 points is better than Rodgers or Laudrup managed in a full season in the Premier League. With regards not seeing any progress, his points per game this season is better than last (1.36 v. 1.28) which would suggest he has made personal progress. Whether you consider the club as a whole has made any progress is up for debate, but I would suggest it certainly hasn't got any worse (it depends, I suppose what criteria you want to use).

"Libertarian will say it's not a complete season and therefore doesn't count".

Who the hell do you think you are to announce to the world what I will,or won't say?

At the risk of stealing cartoon's plunder, - do you have "a hard on for me"?

Actually,your carefully produced stats "don't count", since they span two different seasons.
Final league placings are not created from such flawed calculations.
If they were,then teams could add their last season's cup wins with this season's,and make out they have won the cup.

You simply cannot wait to heap praise on Monk's shoulders before he has actually earned any.
It's a great shame that you feel unable to do likewise for Laudrup,who did actually win/achieve something.

 

[trundles left foot]

My honest assessment of GM is he has done OK. He has mainly built the side he wanted. In terms of points this year we are doing fine. However we are not the side to watch we used to be. I know some will say points are more important and true they are but why can't we have both. I don't go to the games excited anymore I go there hoping we can grind something out and to be honest thats what we have been doing over the past weeks. When things are not going our way his changes are sometime bizarre, he looks like a little boy lost. Maybe he needs that experience PL old head to turn to instead of Kris O'leary.

The next 3 months will be see the making or the sacking of him (IMO before some start jumping up and down and stamping their feet), he needs to make sensible additions and see the team performances improve along with results. I suppose if marking him it would be a b for number of points gained but a d for style of play.

 

[aswan_dam]

"Libertarian will say it's not a complete season and therefore doesn't count".

Who the hell do you think you are to announce to the world what I will,or won't say?

At the risk of stealing cartoon's plunder, - do you have "a hard on for me"?

Actually,your carefully produced stats "don't count", since they span two different seasons.
Final league placings are not created from such flawed calculations.
If they were,then teams could add their last season's cup wins with this season's,and make out they have won the cup.

You simply cannot wait to heap praise on Monk's shoulders before he has actually earned any.
It's a great shame that you feel unable to do likewise for Laudrup,who did actually win/achieve something.

We had this exact same conservation a few weeks ago, so I already knew what your opinion is, and to prove a point you've just said it again. Just trying to save your keyboard some wear and tear.

I'm sure you'll agree that balance on the forum is a good thing, so with Yankee & Bob the Slob putting Monk down at every available opportunity, I'm trying to restore the balance. Contrary to your view, I believe Monk does deserve praise, whether it spans two seasons or not. That is my view and you can't change it.

Monk, Laudrup, Rodgers, Sousa, Martinez - all just Swansea managers. I don't have a preference, all have done well.

 

[LIBERTARIAN]

My honest assessment of GM is he has done OK. He has mainly built the side he wanted. In terms of points this year we are doing fine. However we are not the side to watch we used to be. I know some will say points are more important and true they are but why can't we have both. I don't go to the games excited anymore I go there hoping we can grind something out and to be honest thats what we have been doing over the past weeks. When things are not going our way his changes are sometime bizarre, he looks like a little boy lost. Maybe he needs that experience PL old head to turn to instead of Kris O'leary.

The next 3 months will be see the making or the sacking of him (IMO before some start jumping up and down and stamping their feet), he needs to make sensible additions and see the team performances improve along with results. I suppose if marking him it would be a b for number of points gained but a d for style of play.

Watch out for someone combining your post with mine trundles,and saying that I want Monk sacked.

 

[LIBERTARIAN]

We had this exact same conservation a few weeks ago, so I already knew what your opinion is, and to prove a point you've just said it again. Just trying to save your keyboard some wear and tear.

I'm sure you'll agree that balance on the forum is a good thing, so with Yankee & Bob the Slob putting Monk down at every available opportunity, I'm trying to restore the balance. Contrary to your view, I believe Monk does deserve praise, whether it spans two seasons or not. That is my view and you can't change it.

Monk, Laudrup, Rodgers, Sousa, Martinez - all just Swansea managers. I don't have a preference, all have done well.

Perhaps you could highlight where I have ever a)attempted to change your mind,or b)pointed out to the world what you were going to say on any subject.

This Monk subject is so ******* boring now.

I hope Laudrup gets the Newcastle job,and gets them into Europe.

 

[aswan_dam]

Perhaps you could highlight where I have ever a)attempted to change your mind,or b)pointed out to the world what you were going to say on any subject.

This Monk subject is so ******* boring now.

I hope Laudrup gets the Newcastle job,and gets them into Europe.

a) you haven't
b) you haven't

Is Laudrup in contention for Newcastle? I haven't checked.

 

[Bob the slob]

I have praised Monk when he gets things right and I have not been critical for the sake of it. I have been critical of things that the Manger has done that make no sense, the mistakes he keeps repeating and I get hacked off by those who claim he's the best thing since sliced bread. I also will hark back to period when the squad has been unsettled as one name kept cropping up and will never trust or respect anyone who gets a job by engineering the demise of his or her predecessor.
I will respond when people say we have a stronger squad than last season - we quite obviously don't. And I am 100% behind TLF when he says, 'I don't go to the games excited anymore I go there hoping we can grind something out and to be honest thats what we have been doing over the past weeks.'
Unlike some fans who need the buzz of watching Liverpool or Manchester United my support for the Swans is the same against any opposition, so it doesn't matter if we're in the Premier League or League 2 I want to go to the games to support my team playing entertaining or exciting football.

 

[Yankee_Jack]

Watch out for someone combining your post with mine trundles,and saying that I want Monk sacked.

I don't have the patience to wait. I want Monk sacked and I attribute that to me.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

Perhaps you could highlight where I have ever a)attempted to change your mind,or b)pointed out to the world what you were going to say on any subject.

This Monk subject is so ******* boring now.

I hope Laudrup gets the Newcastle job,and gets them into Europe.

Newcastle wouldn't be 'big enough' surely?

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

I have praised Monk when he gets things right and I have not been critical for the sake of it. I have been critical of things that the Manger has done that make no sense, the mistakes he keeps repeating and I get hacked off by those who claim he's the best thing since sliced bread. I also will hark back to period when the squad has been unsettled as one name kept cropping up and will never trust or respect anyone who gets a job by engineering the demise of his or her predecessor.
I will respond when people say we have a stronger squad than last season - we quite obviously don't. And I am 100% behind TLF when he says, 'I don't go to the games excited anymore I go there hoping we can grind something out and to be honest thats what we have been doing over the past weeks.'
Unlike some fans who need the buzz of watching Liverpool or Manchester United my support for the Swans is the same against any opposition, so it doesn't matter if we're in the Premier League or League 2 I want to go to the games to support my team playing entertaining or exciting football.

We have a stronger starting 11. And I'd argue with a fully fit squad, our squad is much stronger too (before Bony got sold).

 

[Yankee_Jack]

We have a stronger starting 11. And I'd argue with a fully fit squad, our squad is much stronger too (before Bony got sold).

So then our current position is all down to the players rather than anything Monk has done. Just sayin'.

"Yes, we finished seventh, which was one place higher than the previous season, but I put that achievement down to the attitude of the players rather than anything Paulo Sousa gave us", so sayeth the Monkster.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

So then our current position is all down to the players rather than anything Monk has done. Just sayin'.

"Yes, we finished seventh, which was one place higher than the previous season, but I put that achievement down to the attitude of the players rather than anything Paulo Sousa gave us", so sayeth the Monkster.

You ain't going to ever, ever forget this quote are you Yank? Damn you Terror

 

[Yankee_Jack]

You ain't going to ever, ever forget this quote are you Yank? Damn you Terror

Nope. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or a classic, what goes around, comes around. Or, better yet, I'd love to watch Monk run a session on defending crosses from near the bye-line ..... then look at the bewildered look on Ash's face as it runs just like a Sousa drill.

 

[swanseaandproud]

"Libertarian will say it's not a complete season and therefore doesn't count".

Who the hell do you think you are to announce to the world what I will,or won't say?

At the risk of stealing cartoon's plunder, - do you have "a hard on for me"?

Actually,your carefully produced stats "don't count", since they span two different seasons.
Final league placings are not created from such flawed calculations.
If they were,then teams could add their last season's cup wins with this season's,and make out they have won the cup.

You simply cannot wait to heap praise on Monk's shoulders before he has actually earned any.
It's a great shame that you feel unable to do likewise for Laudrup,who did actually win/achieve something.

what happened then, we dropped like a stone

 

[jonasbrothers]

If Monks name was foreign and had a nice CV with it, no one would probably quite as critical. However If you listen to the feeling you have about Monk and everything going on is it positive or negative?? To me it feels like Swansea.. A premier league club, a club who could get alot of very talented people in, should have gone for that option. However Huw has put his trust in Monk, and Monk definitely deserves more time and enough time to really put his own stamp on the team, granted it doesn't go terribly ****..

 

[Yankee_Jack]

If Monks name was foreign and had a nice CV with it, no one would probably quite as critical. However If you listen to the feeling you have about Monk and everything going on is it positive or negative?? To me it feels like Swansea.. A premier league club, a club who could get alot of very talented people in, should have gone for that option. However Huw has put his trust in Monk, and Monk definitely deserves more time and enough time to really put his own stamp on the team, granted it doesn't go terribly ****..

Tell that to the last guy.


And .... Monk needs to the do the job he's paid to do - it really is that simple. You don't swim with the sharks in the deep end of the pool, if you still need a ring to keep you afloat. I'm getting a little tired of hearing all the apologies ... "poor Monk", "he's young", "he's inexperienced", "he needs time". He needs to do his job. It's getting to be like Taylor's recovery .... how many games does a player need FFS before we stop making apologies and recognize that he's not at the level he should be and that we let our best LB go to Spurs for nobody knows what, so it might as well be nothing.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

Tell that to the last guy.


And .... Monk needs to the do the job he's paid to do - it really is that simple. You don't swim with the sharks in the deep end of the pool, if you still need a ring to keep you afloat. I'm getting a little tired of hearing all the apologies ... "poor Monk", "he's young", "he's inexperienced", "he needs time". He needs to do his job. It's getting to be like Taylor's recovery .... how many games does a player need FFS before we stop making apologies and recognize that he's not at the level he should be and that we let our best LB go to Spurs for nobody knows what, so it might as well be nothing.

Top 9 all season would suggest though that he is indeed doing the job he is paid to do

 

[jonasbrothers]

WELL If the players are happy & monk is happy & Swansea are 9th in the league.. Then a few fans not being happy is alright. However if MOST importantly the players are unhappy then it has to be stopped sooner rather than later.

 

[jonasbrothers]

The quality players because the others will just be eyeing their chance to play first team football.

 

[jonasbrothers]

& that is my only concern in all this.. Can Monk improve already very good players and manage a very good team who's played beautiful football in the past. It's not an easy job to take on.