okay, so here's the thing. I added a comment on a FB thread yesterday which asked 'Ighalo or Vydra'. Interestingly, when i mentioned i'd have both, and drop Deeney, i was ignored. Strangely, further down the post, someone else suggested it and got jumped on as being ridiculous. I'm not complaining that i was ignored, but i find it odd that the mere thought of dropping Deeney causes apoplexy among Watford fans. Personally i think there are times when Deeney is sluggish and lacklustre. Yesterday he missed two 'gilt-edged chances', to use a football phrase, and seeing one back on the highlights shows me how little effort he put into it. He does a lot of complaining on the pitch, to the refs etc, but doesn't seem to be doing a lot of motivating of the team. Yesterday he worked a little harder than usual, but do his performances warrant the undroppable status he seems to have reached? I know he has been a massive supporter of the 1881, and the fans love him, but personally i'd give a partnership of Vydra and Ighalo a go. So, thoughts?
If Vydra didn't look so shorn of confidence and shot-shy I'd give it a go. On the other hand Deeney did score - many a predatory goal-poacher has been criticised for being lazy!
I think he has actually already been dropped this season - or is my memory playing tricks on me? But of course he is 'droppable' - every player is if his performances warrant it, captain or not.
I thought he played well enough not to be taken off yesterday but then I would not have subbed either striker. He is not undropable but sometimes I feel the stick he gets is unfair. Not aimed at you by the way H but rather some of the experts in the GT lower.
He doesn't look fit to me...certainly not for 90 minutes...and certainly wastes far too much energy exercising his mouth. Seems to me he needs an experienced mentor, as some games he looks really up for it and others he is far too easily dispirited.
I don't believe any player is undroppable, Deeney included. I would say it's a bit harsh to single out Deeney for missing chances - Ighalo could be equally accused. Plus Vydra is totally ineffective, he does not seem to have the pace he had and gets knocked off the ball day too easily, so I would not consider starting him. I would say the understand between Deeney and Ighalo is really beginning to flourish and will cause real problems for defences. Saying that I've always thought Deeney can be lazy at times and could improve his fitness, but for me he us clearly more dangerous than Vydra at the moment. As for him gobbing off, I'm afraid it's just another trait of modern football.
Ighalo and Deeney for me. I thought Deeney tried hard to get Vydra in on goal yesterday, but it just wasn't to be. I think Vydra may have struggled yesterday through lack of game time. I'd also like to take this opportunity to admit how wrong I was about Ighalo. Didn't think he would amount to much after the first few showings. Now? One of the first names on the team sheet. I also haven't noticed FF's name come up? He seems to have lost his way a little.
True, if Vydra was firing goals in too it would be a more difficult decision. Deeney´s goals may make up for his other lacking areas. Dropping Deeney would create more of a dent in the team, he is a well-built striker!
i will back the owners the manager then the players . the club put faith in troy he has repaid us all and when pl clubs come sniffing around he said if the club wanted to take a bid than he would look at it . but until then he wanted to get us promoted . one day he mite try to do the best for his family and take a move .and i will respect him for that
I think Deeney will generally play because he is a different sort of striker to the others. Ingalo has certainly taken his chance well so far. Once again Vydra was rather lacklustre on Saturday albeit we were 4-0 up.
If Vydra was firing then might say give him a few games rest, but Vydra is very off form at the moment I do know what you mean about Deeeny. A few times it seems his head isn't in the game and almost comes across as not bothered. He probably deserves the benefit of doubt but no one player should be undroppable.... That would just demotivate some of the squad, especially in that position.
I'm afraid Vydra has been "very off form" for two years apart from the odd moments of brilliance - which really do not counterbalance the long hours of seemingly uninterested mediocrity. He is looking more and more like a half season wonder. It is up to him to prove he has a long term career as a striker at this level and he needs to do it pretty quickly.
I meant more generally Fez. He seems to have stood still in recent times and I wonder how many would start him with any of the other options available. Better as an impact player from the bench me thinks.
At the moment Ighalo picks himself. I think Deeney does too, he's not anywhere near on top form but our problems haven't stemmed from him it's just that he's not digging us out of the doo doo the rest of the team have spectacularly dropped us into on occasion. Fessi made some poor decisions following good work against Chelsea. I think he tries too hard. He'll come good again.
Being restricted to attending the odd match or two, rare tv coverage and the excellent commentary from Jon Marks, I do get the distinct impression that there are a few times when he appears lethargic, but only as a striker. His value to the team is far more than that - he's not just a bustling striker, he is also a skillful playmaker and a valuable defender. It constantly amazes me the number of times Jon Marks describes opposition attacks as having been cut out, cleared or stopped by Deeney. Whilst he does have days where his striking role is below par, he always seems to maintain the other facets of his game and certainly puts a shift in with them. Fairly close to being undroppable...
No Leo. It is good to have competition but he offers so much I wouldn't take him off. On the talking to referees point, although I agree he might benefit from reining it in a bit I wonder if some of it is that he is still a bit green at captaincy and thinks that talking to refs is simply standing up for his colleagues.
