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  1. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

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    They see other peoples religion or where people live as a way of justifying killing them. Anything is seen as a way of justifying killing people to them.
     
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  2. tomw24

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    Rangers v Hearts abandoned due to snow.
     
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  3. Beef

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    The Pope ****ing up again. Could he be showing his true colours?

    At a rally for families in the country’s capital of Manila, the popular pontiff spoke of an “ideological colonization that we have to be careful about that is trying to destroy the family,” the pope said through a translator. Many people understood his remarks as a reference to same-sex marriage.

    “The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life,” Francis said at a Mass in Manila. “These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation.”

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/pope-francis-suggests-gay-marriage-threatens-traditional-families
     
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  4. fatletiss

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    Why and where is the line? What is fairly moderate? Impossible to define.
     
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  5. Saintmagic

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    Bit of a technical question, but is there a way to stop avatars being displayed? Need this forum to get me through the quiet times at work but with the bigger avatars it is making it harder to do it subtly :D

    Plus I got spotted by my manager whilst reading one of FLT's posts and she commented on Kylie
     
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  6. PompeyLapras

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    It is impossible to define, but if you use common sense, that would be a good start I would imagine
     
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    PL's idea sounds basically the same as the reasonable person test in law.
     
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  8. fatletiss

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    How do you define common sense? You'll soon see that what you see as common sense or offensive or moderate will not be the same as everyone. There in lies the problem.
     
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  9. fatletiss

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    Well that makes me think of the league's "fit and proper person test" for club owners and we all know how good that is; PL especially.
     
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  10. fran-MLs little camera

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    Common sense is probably the same all round the planet.....the difference is that in the UK you can express it, but you can't express it where you fear beatings, imprisonment or death.
     
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  11. fatletiss

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    Well by definition, "common sense" would be different all over the world, as what is common in one place, may not be common in another.
     
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  12. fran-MLs little camera

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    Most people want to just get on with their lives...that makes them fairly tolerant if it means cooperation with their neighbours. Firebrands wind them up, especially in times where resources are limited.

    The real difference is in a sense of fairness....which is ingrained in the British psyche.
     
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  13. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Just had my water bill come through. I apparently use only one third of the average one person household...I have a washing machine, dishwasher and bath/shower every day and use a hose (but not a sprinkler) in the summer....what are the rest of you doing?
     
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    That's why global perspectives are pointless. In THIS country and culture, no one has the right to not be offended. So long as nobody is inciting physical violence against anyone (certain protesters take note), or deliberately stating false facts to defame someone, then it should be fair game.
    As for religious sensibilities, I couldn't give two hoots. Our ancestors weren't given much choice about abandoning their gods to become Christian and anyone who is too bothered about a lack of respect to other middle-eastern cults is in the wrong part of the world. What they want to do in the privacy of their own houses, or centres of worship, is up to them(within legal boundaries) but I don't see why the rest of us have to change our culture to make it more accommodating for them.
     
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  15. Puck

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    The incompetence of football authorities really isn't relevant. It's nothing like the fit and proper person test and has been used in law for thousands of years, generally in negligence cases where they ask whether a reasonable person would have acted in the same way as the defendant did.

    It's perfectly fair to suggest you ask whether a reasonable person would be offended by a comment/video/cartoon but you're definitely right that a reasonable person in England (the "man on the Clapham omnibus") probably wouldn't think in the same way as a person considered reasonable in, say, Tehran.

    That's not strictly true. It's a criminal offence to "use threatening, abusive or insulting words within the hearing of someone likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress by them."
     
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    Puck - don't shoot me. I was being satirical....
     
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    Robben bitten by a Crocodile.
     
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    Maybe, but he still went down too easy for my liking.
     
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  19. PompeyLapras

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    It's not about accommodating them, it's about showing some respect and treating others as you yourself would want to be treated. And you're right no-one has the right to not be offended, but that doesn't give anyone the right (morally) to be deliberately offensive. It annoys me people scream about freedom of speech to use it as a justification to spout offensive and hate-filled stuff. Sure, freedom of speech is an important right, but with rights come responsibilities. I'd like to think we as a society are grown up enough to recognise that. For example, freedom of speech does not give you the right to attend a gay pride event and start calling everyone the f word. By what you say above, it sounds like that would be justfied in the name of free speech... As it's not inciting violence or stating false facts in the person involved is a homosexual....
     
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  20. fran-MLs little camera

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    Eurotunnel shut all day because of lorry fire at French end.
     
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