I think you've swallowed the right wing Colonel Blimp closet racist stereotype of the 'right-on Leftist" Ubes. See what I did there? Though of course it's true that anyone who is 100% commited to a single ideology - religious, political, whatever - is going to be intolerant of others who aren't privileged to have 'the truth' like them, or choose to challenge their 'truth'. From my perspective, always fair game to insult (though better to challenge and debate) these ideologies, but I agree, insulting for reasons other than ideology is unpleasant. Here is what the Koran says about tolerance: Religious Tolerance 2:6-7 "As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom." 2:286, 3:147 "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 3:28 "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers." 3:32 "Allah loveth not the disbelievers." 3:56 "As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers." 3:85 "Whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter." 4:91 "Take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant." 4:101 "The disbelievers are an open enemy to you." 4:144 "Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?" 5:51 "Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. ... He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them." 8:39 "Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah." 9:5 "Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush." 9:29 "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah." 9:73 "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." 9:113 "It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire." 9:123 "Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you." 22:15 "Whoso is wont to think (through envy) that Allah will not give him (Muhammad) victory in the world and the Hereafter (and is enraged at the thought of his victory), let him stretch a rope up to the roof (of his dwelling), and let him hang himself." 28:86 "Never be a helper to the disbelievers." 30:45 "He loveth not the disbelievers." 58:22 "Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren." 60:1 "Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve?" 60:13 "Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter." 66:9 "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." To be fair, it also contains stuff about living in peace, turning the other cheek etc etc. It is very contradictory, as of course are the Bible and Torah, which is perhaps why it's followers are so confused.
Steady on Kiwi.... you are asking Imaz to defend himself against a whole range of statements "slung" around Why not ask him if the Quran says you must murder "fluffy" kittens......and pull the wings of butterflies... But of the questions you ask of him, and him to defend, please why not ask a Christian the same questions You will get some uncomfortable answers I am afraid (Lots daughters getting their father drunk to have sex with him, for example, is that acceptable in the Christian countries??....)...in our history, we murdered many thousands of Catholics...because they had representations of the Madonna, we murdered the Templars because the worshiped a representation of Christ...."Thou shalt not make images of thy God"..... Our "bible" allegedly condemns the act of homosexuality, our bible allegedly prevents women from becoming priests and holding any sort of equal office. Let us please keep this thread on a even keel as it is actually throwing up some excellent and deep debate
Why not ask him if the Quran says you must murder "fluffy" kittens......and pull the wings of butterflies... well imaz
good points beth so for fairness sake does the bible say females must be covered from head to toe can drawings be made of jesus or god did jesus like to have sex with 13 year olds can lots of people be murdered in the name of purceived offence is christian law good if the countrys the muslims which too leave are so bad why do they want to recreate them in the west etc etc
I don't agree it was just a cartoon it was a continued global broadcast designed to impact and upset people who think differently... it worked and I am not saying I agree with the Paris murders before anyone starts. How many people have been innocently killed since the attack on a European art form that has woken people up and made us all very clever about a cause. I bet anyone here it's more than 12 ... It's all wrong we should agree on that but we will all carry on and made to feel very threaten and scared while we all read tripe in the papers.
What does the Bible say about colonialsim and expropriating the land of the indigenous population? Apartheid with added sheep.
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm Ridiculous, the Bible and Torah have far worse and you well know it. Shame on you for that very reason. http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
Sorry, that was a bit terse owing to having to stand outside a series of shops whilst Mrs Uber looks at a series of saucepans that we simply don't need. I'm thoroughly enjoying the exchange between Kiwi and that other correspondent, though.
You're a terrorist apologist yourself for Christ's sake I think its time some folk opened their eyes. A lot of what Oddball says is correct.
Indeed, 500,000 dead in Iraq alone since the West intervened: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html Then there's Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Somalia and so on. Of course a few million in the developing world can't be compared with deaths in Paris, London and New York but they too were human beings slaughtered without mercy.
This is not about the bible, Christians, racism etc it's about Muslim terrorists killing innocents last week. Plain and simple it's disgusting and wrong. Death was too good for these parasites they should have been made to live in a **** pit for the rest of their days and see how much Allah loved them then.
You can the fear is in the mind ... mind what you say however ... in cases like that then maybe it's best to keep it to yourself
No argument from me, we could fill several pages with the contradictions and evil from those books. As you may have spotted, my contempt is not exclusive. It's just that Islam is in the news a bit this week.
