I didn't say Kenny Dalglish doesn't know what he is doing, he is a bright guy with a proven track record and I have great respect for him. That doesn't mean his acquisitions shouldn't be questioned, and they have all been, so far highly questionable in terms of whether they will improve/change the Team/Squad and their respective values, which have been astonishing.
So basically, you class yourself as a better talent spotter than Kenny? Like most wannabe managers. Everyone has their little opinion on the choices he's making, but say you're given an unlimited cash pile and don't want to go the way of City or Chelsea. You want to plan for the future, so that's one criteria established - they have to be young. We're looking for specific areas such as the wings and a deep lying playmaker, another criteria. He would preferably like them English as I have established in one of my own articles. They have to want to come to Liverpool and buy into the ethos. They have to suit our style of play. I think we've shortened down the list enough to expose but a few targets, example on the wings: Stewart Downing, Marc Albrighton, Matt Jarvis, Aaron Lennon, Walcott... That's basically the short list for that criteria, take off Aaren Lennon and Walcott because they are at rival clubs, then the 2 viable options (I don't rate Matt Jarvis, the stats don't lie) are Albrighton and Downing. It's unlikely Albrighton will move, I can't see Villa accepting anything other than a major bid for him - leaving Stewart Downing as first choice. If we don't get him, then we have to look outside of the English bracket, simple as. Comolli and Dalglish both know what they're doing, and it's something Comolli has made a job out of for years.
No I don't consider myself a better spotter of talent than either of those two. But that isn't the point I have been making, it is one thing spotting it, quite another attracting it, there are far better Players than those signed by this pair, and the money that has been paid is staggering, if Everton had paid £35M for Carroll, £23M for Suarez, £16M for Henderson and followed that up with £15M+ for Downing, you would be pissing yourself. And rightly so.
Maybe these deals should be considered: £14mill + Milan Jovanovic. £14mill + Christian Poulson or We offer £12mill and promise to never let Paul Konchesky join them.
No we wouldn't, we'd be slightly scared that Everton have managed to get hold of so much cash. Then even more scared they'd invested that cash in Suarez (who is a brilliant player and worth much more than the 22.7 we paid for him), and 2 more players that are young and still have a lot more potential to improve.
Haha good man! Though I agree maybe we can advertise NGog as grounds staff or something! Not bothered enough to convince people further other than to say if you're interested watch this compilation: http://www.footylounge.com/films//m...nchester-united-13112010-video_bbcfd6e16.html It's Downing vs Utd last season. Could have had a goal or two himself and definitely should have had a couple more assists. Consistently makes himself an option on the left and is always looking to get a cross in with that sweet left peg. Carroll would have loved that kind of service.
I think the Downing deal will go through its simply down to Alex Mcleish wanting the £20million to spend on replacements for A.young and Downing. The same applies to charlie adam as we are just waiting for blackpool to secure their replacements. Downing would be a great attribute for the club as he is a naturally left footed winger, who stays to the white lines of the field and always gives options.
Liverpool have an abundace of pace,Glen Johnson is no slouch,and neither is Martin Kelly.However what they need is an outlet.Moreso for away games to put pressure on the opposition full-backs and easing the pressure on their own central midfield.Man United are lucky that they have strength in their wide areas,as their central midfield is piss poor,and the strength they have in the wide areas compensates for that. As for Downing,It may take a bid of £19 million to sign him,thats the latest reports,even though I still believe Aston Villa are taking the piss.However its not our money,Its FSG's.If they want to spend the money,let them.If they want to spend £85 million this summer,then that doesn't bother me either.
my views exactly, if thats what it is going to cost for kenny to get his team and FSG are willing to pay that then so be it
As they have Albrighton I think they may only sign 1 more expensive wing man, and they maybe a strike partner for Bent. I really think Jovanovic could be profitable to them.
Well seeing as N'zogbia only got 1 less assit than downing and 2 more goals playing for a much weaker team, where it would be harder to get assits because the strikers wont finish as well as bent if N'zogbia is hit and miss then downing certainly is. Also people seem to suggest that N'zogbia only stepped up in the last 6 or 7 games for wigan last season but thts bullshit, he was pretty amazing all season. He also had the most succesful dribbles in the league by like 30 in second place was nani. And the attitude problem thing is bullshit in my opinion, the only time he had an " attitude problem " was when he was at newcastle and their was an incident with andy carrol i think when he was much younger, and has probabily forgotten about it. and i've never heard anything from wigan fans for example saying he has a bad attitude. Hes better than downing cheaper than downing and has a better name haha lolz. He's also been in england for over 6 years or something like that hasnt he? so im pretty sure his english aint bad, so its not like he cant communicate with his team or needs to adapt to the league. So if i was a liverpool fan and i had to choose from downing or N'zogbia, i know who i would choose.
Those stats can be interpreted differently i.e. he's selfish and the star of a bottom of the table team so all their attacking play goes through him: "Wigan Athletic's Charles N'Zogbia again attempted more dribbles than any other player this season (301, way ahead of Jonas Gutiérrez on 219). In the past two seasons he has attempted almost 300 more than anyone else (554)" That doesn't exactly suggest he would suit the pass and move philosophy we are trying to build into the club at all age groups. Here is the bull**** attitude problem (just accounting for last season): http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...c-to-slap-charles-nzogbia-with-70000-fine-for Sshort summary is start of last season NZogbia walked out of training and missed the opening game of the season because Wigan didn't sign his mate, allegedly) Here's the story of him getting a Police caution last season: http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...capes_with_a_caution_over_driving_test_switch As for goals and assists, 3 of his goals were from freekicks which Downing doesn't take so kind of stretches things a bit. Add to that the fact that it will be much more useful for someone to put crosses in for Carroll than to dribble and shoot, and Downing arguably makes more sense. You're right though NZogbia has been in the league for quite a few years, and Downing's stats consistently beat NZogbia's, even when he was at Middlesborough. Oh and Darren Bent was only there for the second half of the season so i'd say Heskey for half a season and Bent for half a season vs Rodallega all season is pretty even. I happen to rate NZogbia but If you're going to crack facts out do your research please.
Wait wait, im going to answer your last point first, which fact that i presented was wrong? i think non you just had counter arguments. but if you want to go to facts rodallega scored 9 goals last season. Darren bent from january to the end of the season scored the same amount for aston villa. And about the dribbling attempts he makes, hes playing for wigan, he has to carry the team, its his job to try and keep them in the premier league, and if it wasnt for him last season i'd put my house on it that they'd be relegated. The attitude problems that you said, the first one's from goal.com without one single acctual qoute. and the second seems more foolish than attitude problems. not to mention people say he has attitude problems cause he thinks hes better than the club he's at, which i highly doubt will happen at liverpool. and how in the hell does downing's stats consistently beat nzogbias? i really cant be asked to look at their number of assists, so ill let you do that with your reply, but in terms of goals, downing has scored 1 more in about 30 more appreances. Oh and lastly every big fish in a small pond is going to be selfish, its the way of life. downing wasnt selfish at middlesborough because hes not good enought to be selfish, dont get me wrong hes a good winger, with great crosses, but he cant get past a man like nzogbia can, so he wouldnt shine as much if he tried to be selfish.
Fair enough i was a little lazy with the goal.com quote as i couldn't be bothered searching through. "Football will always make the decision," Martinez told the Evening Post. "Mentally and physically, Charles has to be right to help the team. But he has been back to himself in training this week, and when he does that, he remains a special player for us. "There has always been a good communication between Charles and myself, and we have maintained a respectful manner. I understand why he was affected by going away with the French national side. But he did not storm out of training before the Blackpool game, and you don't get a fine when you don't have an outburst. "You are going to get a lot of media talk, and rumours that can get placed in the press by interested parties. But it was all dealt with behind closed doors. Charles didn't do anything wrong but express his feelings, and it was only the timing that was wrong - just before the start of the season. But that is a world away from what was reported." Less of an issue than maybe i gave at first impression, but he still clearly came back from international duty and had a strop right before the first game of the season meaning he didn't play. You can only judge him on the attitude problems already there, and predict anything else, and if Fernando Torres- apparently Mr Loyalty himself- wanted to leave Liverpool, N'Zogbia could definitely be the same. My point was the thing about his attitude isn't rubbish, as he has still caused problems this season, whatever the reasons. At great boredom here are Goals/Assists since 07 (NZogbia didn't play many games season before that and couldn't be bothered to go further back) I included all English cup competitions but excluded Uefa Cup as it unbalances things as Downing has played in Europe more over the last few years. 07/08 Downing 12/5 NZogbia 3/7 08/09 Downing 2/6 NZogbia 3/2 09/10 Downing 3/6 NZogbia 7/7 (not sure about NZogbia's injury history but this is the season Downing started with a broken foot so missed a good chunk, NZogbia still had a great season) 10/11 Downing 8/7 NZogbia 10/5 Hardly paints the picture of Downing being average but NZogbia being a class above. I still maintain that Downing would bring out the best in our team much more than NZogbia would.
Personally I don't rate Nzogbia.I rate Hugo Rodellega higher.He in just my opinion carries more of a threat.Now if Kenny feels that Stewart Downing will do a job down that left hand side,and he will as he's naturally left footed,then I back his judgement over anyone elses.
i never once said downing was average thought did i? or that nzogbia is a class above. my first point was. Nzogbia is cheaper and better, not alot but nontheless better. so i guess we must agree to disagree, nice debating with you though, its nice talking to someone who backs their point with facts and intellectual arguments, you dont get that to much on this site tbh. And to kpr, N'zogbia is a winger rodellega is a striker, and if you ask any wigan fan they'll tell you nzogbia is much better. infact ive heard a few wigan fans being angry at sammon never playing ahead of rodellega saying he deserved a chance
Ah well i took it as much you criticizing Downing as praising NZogbia which is why i thought there was a big gap there. Anyway both have agreed our less favored players are still good so probably more of a protracted argument than it needed to be, but hey when people are being reasonable and backing things up with actual information and research it's hard not to get stuck in. There are a few on here that'll do the same and not take it personally, just enjoy the duel and maybe learn something. Nice one mate, until next time!
