You think we have had the best out of Bony? What faults, he has no long standing injury concerns, so your comparison is even way more off the mark. Had it been Michu and Arsenal came in with £15m when our valuation was £20m, then yes, take it, as you had his ankle injury to consider, but Bony doesn't have that now does he. So your just throwing out random excuses that don't even fir the situation. Bony was fit and healthy at the time of sale, the highest scoring premier league striker in 2014, for a club like Swansea which makes it even more impressive. Yet we drop to their valuation, who the **** negotiated the deal, because no offence, sack the fool. Greedy, are you kidding me, we bowed to the pressure. our value = £30m, Man City value = £25m, and we settle for £25m, how the **** can you sit there and defend this piss poor negotiating. Had it been £27m, I would have been happy, as it showed we were not willing to bend to the pressure of their valuation, but be willing to work it out between us, instead we gave them what they wanted with very little effort to get what we wanted. Don't know about you, but that is not how negotiating works. And like I said, if that is how you think it works, then thank god you are not hired by the club, hell are you the one who negotiated the deal? As that is the only way I could understand why your trying to defend it, if it was in-fact you who dealt with it. Bony knew we valued him at £30m, and he knew Man City valued him at £25m, he would know that there would have to be some middle ground reached, so you negotiate, had we sat at £30m and he didn't go, then he would have been able to have been pissed off, had we negotiated for £27m and Man City wouldn't budge, then that is not our fault, but Man City. Whether that would have meant a happy Bony or not is none of our concern, he signed a contract, and it would be up to him if he wanted to be professional and see out his contract, or be unprofessional and sit on the bench and kill his own career. I would like to believe that Wilf would have been professional about it. So in the grand scheme of things, the player has no say in it either, especially when we fold so easily on his valuation. Man City have basically got him for their initial estimate, because the chances of us seeing that extra £3m is about as much chance as I have of playing for Swansea City against Chelsea.
You live in a hypothetical world, our board and chairman live in the real world, as do some of us fans, we can all make comparisons to suit our argument, as I have done and you too, but you will never convince me we have been robbed, we move on to better things and the next chapter, Bony is gone long live Gomis............. You'd swear we just sold Ronaldo......
When you compare these to what we sold out for. It is ridiculous there is only one winner in this deal and it isnt us. For Bony read Negredo because what they have sold him for is what they are paying us.
You keep bouncing on the £25 Million, yet the actual deal was £28 Million, are you not confident then that your superstar striker will deliver the bonus criteria? Why is that then? You say he is worth £35 to £40 Million, so if that's the case it should be a breeze for him to go on and win those titles that will bring us the extra £3 Million shouldn't it. The way I see it we had the best price for Bony, and in the fulness of time you will see that we did too, he is not the complete player that many are getting worked up about, he has his flaws, how many times did he miss the target in the QPR game? How much pace does he have? will he succeed at Citeh? Some of us are more realistic with regard to this deal, and we are not taken in by the media frenzy either, so as I have said before we did very well from this deal..............
Let me tell you about negotiating in the "real world" You work out how much money your asset is worth in relation to comparable assets. You work out if the customer who has made the approach is; a) able to meet this valuation and b) how much they need the asset that they are trying to purchase? (Is there a suitable alternative available elsewhere? how much does it cost? Put yourself in their shoes...e.g. If I were City would I be more comfortable with the risk of spending £20m on Jay Rodriguez or the risk of £30m on Bony? When you've taken that into account and decide what is a fair price for your asset you ask yourself, "If they dig their heels in and refuse to pay my asking price is there likely to be future interest in my asset from other parties?" If the answer to this question is yes you proceed to tell the interested party a figure, either a) the price you have arrived at and don't budge from that price (If they walk away so be it, future bidders will know the figure you require and that you are not messing around or b) the figure you arrived at + £X and allow yourself to be negotiated down to your real figure. That's how negotiating works in the real world. Ask around. So if the board valued Bony at £30m (which would be implied by Monk's statements to the media) they could either stick to their guns or inform City that they want £35m and sit tight until the bidding hits £30m. Negotiating is not telling all and sundry that you expect £30m (while your customer insists publically that he can only afford £25m) and then caving in within 7-10 days. It makes you look weak and has future consequences for your business the next time you are selling one of your assets.
The problem is Phil it doesnt matter how well Bony does, We are dependent on the rest of the team as well, future managers liking him and him being picked for 60% of the games. I have never seen such add ons that are almost impossible to achieve. The deal is clearly 25m.
Because they have total control over the bonus criteria, what competitions to prioritise, whether they play Bony 60% of the time....and it's in their interests to pay us less. A portion of their risk is being handed back to us....if he scores like Messi and they win everything they will pay us £3m (still £2m shy of what we valued him at)...if he doesn't go so well they've protected themselves a little....if he does exceptional but they as a club don't go so well, big deal! The clauses are ****ing crazy, whoever was negotiating might as well have pulled their pants down, lubed up and bent over the boardroom table Weren't you in the car business Phillip?
you crack me up Phil. Tell me, who was the top scorer of 2014 in the Premier League. Tell me whether that team ha played for came close to competing for the Premier League title. If not, why? Did Suarez win the title for Liverpool? He was after all worth £75m. I am sure he should have done it without breaking a sweat. Did Bale win it for Spurs? He was worth more again. Oh wait, of course not, none of them did Now Bony could go and score 40 goals for Man City next season, hell for each of the next 4 years, and they could still fail to win say the Champions League. Lets have a look at the 4 teams that won the last 4 Champions Leagues. Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. Tell me how many top class players have failed to win their club the Champions League that are valued over £25m in the last 4 years? Suarez, how much? Rooney, how much? Van Persie, how much? Hazard hasn't won the Champions League with Chelsea yet either. Your replies are getting bad now Phil, quit before you make yourself look more foolish. It doesn't matter whether he was the full player or not, we valued him at £30m, and we let them take him for their valuation. Forget the extra £3m in performance payments, because we will never see that money.
I was a sales negotiator for 25 years in the Property investment market, there is nothing you can teach me on the subject, so run along now there's a good lad!...........
Diego Costa Chelsea 15 2 Sergio Agüero Manchester City 14 3 Charlie Austin Queens Park Rangers 13 4 Alexis Sánchez Arsenal 12 5 Saido Berahino West Bromwich Albion 9 5 Wilfried Bony Swansea City 9 5 Papiss Demba Cissé Newcastle United 9 6 Eden Hazard Chelsea 8 6 Harry Kane Tottenham Hotspur 8 6 Graziano Pellè Southampton 8 6 Wayne Rooney Manchester United 8 6 Diafra Sakho West Ham United 8 6 Robin van Persie Manchester United That is the current stats on goals scored...............
Think you will find I asked you for the scorers of 2014, was January - May not part of 2014 in your eyes? Are we also expecting QPR to be pushing for the title seeing as Austin is the 3rd highest goalscorer?
The price of any deal is what the market will support, clearly this deal was at it's limit, something you are having difficulty understanding, I didn't see a queue of buyers lining up outside the Liberty for his signature did you? NO just one club with far too much money, why didn't Arsenal pay us 19 Million last season? If you had bumped into me on a deal, you would not have seen me coming son!............
Do not get sucked in by all the media hype and trickery, you might then see the wood from the trees!..........
Hype and trickery, I didn't know factual stats were trickery. I will just take it as you refusing to answers the questions.
So you say, I would like to think it would be a little unfair to him, bit like taking candy from a kid............
You are blinded by such stats, but I'm sure in the fulness of time, you'll look back on this great deal as a mile stone.........
Have any of us actually seen the small print on this deal? I'm not saying that we will get that final £3 Million, but if anyone here thinks Huw Jenkins is a pushover on these transfer deals then they are clearly wrong, as he has consistently shown he can deliver, Joe Allen £15 Million? Sinclair £8 Million, Graham £5.5 Million, Vorm £3.5 Million, Ben Davies £12 Million (Swap Siggy) Chico £3.5 Million, Rogers £5 Million, etc. The way I see it is this, I am fully confident that our board got the best deal from this situation, given that Bony was a want away player that wanted this deal badly, and it is difficult when you have a player that wants to go, look at Michu and how he has destroyed his sale value, clearly a want away player that is now back with us, and his value has collapsed, what will we make on him? he was at one time reported to be worth £20 Million, we will be lucky to get back the £2 Million we payed for him. What many on here are not factoring in is the power of the player and his agent, it's not just between clubs..............
all good fun! When I was in purchasing (when I was just a stupid kid if I am honest) I used to pull this stunt... More than one customer would often split their orders between ourselves and 2 other local suppliers with their first couple of orders on a new product line. The purpose was to check on reliability and the quality of the products (them already having received all of our quotes I presume) before placing future, much larger orders. When I found out about this I asked the MD to let me know which new lines were split this way. Within an hour or receiving the file with the component lists on I would have phoned around all the suppliers and identified which components were low in stock and had a lead time longer than our due date. I would then buy all of the available stock of 2 or 3 components (So we would have a couple of hundred pounds extra sitting on the shelves for a couple of months).... .....then wait for the purchasers of our rivals to call (they would usually get a junior to make this phone call....I was a junior too but my bosses gave me my head on certain things). I would then lie my arse off until they were late on the date and we had sent ours through the door (whilst pretending to call in favours to help them)....and then feed them drips and drabs of the stock they required at like 800% of the price I paid
