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  1. its been fun thanks :)

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    A thought provoking documentary that gives solid substantiated arguments that are against the government and mainstream media view of the event that shook the world



    The aftermath of 9/11 with all the current political agendas/ extremist terrorism/ radical religious beliefs / NWO that in my opinion is shaping the world as we see it today.
     
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    Zero: An Investigation Into 9/11
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    Peter Bradshaw


    Thursday 21 August 2008 19.01 EDT



    If Mr Bush and Mr Blair are still musing over their "legacy", well, here it is - the 9/11 "truth" movement, of which this film, from Italian directors Franco Farcassi and Francesco Trento, is the latest example. It represents a sizeable body of opinion, holding that everything that we were told about that awful day, every syllable, every dot, every comma, every jot, every tittle, was a great big lie. Our rulers brought this fatuous exercise in silly conspiracy theorism on themselves and us, having foisted the definite untruth of WMD on the world. After all, why should we believe anything proclaimed by the governments of Washington and London which endorsed that mendacity?

    Silly, however, is certainly what the 9/11 theories are. To recap: this movie, like an earlier essay called Loose Change, promotes the belief not merely that 9/11 was a bogus pretext for war, but that it was a bogus event itself, faked, stage-managed and orchestrated by the powers that be. The twin towers were not brought down by kamikaze terrorists, but demolished by covert military-grade explosives, smuggled into the building, of which molten metal in the ashy ruins is the residual evidence. The crashing planes were a diversionary stunt. The so-called terrorists were CIA-mujahideen stooges, who may or may not have been on board, but in any case were ordered to establish their existence on dozens of security cameras to establish an alibi. The plane that crashed into the Pentagon must have been a missile, because the hole isn't big enough for anything else.

    And so on. These theories are rehearsed by Dario Fo, with an insufferably smug grin inappropriate for discussing an event whose casualties he presumably does not dispute, and who is pointedly described as a "Nobel prizewinner" - though his prize is for literature, not engineering.

    As it happens, the dissident theories about the towers' downfall have already been extensively answered by engineers at least as qualified as the ones contributing here. Yes, the Towers' designers complain that their buildings should have withstood plane crashes - but then, they would, wouldn't they? They don't want to be blamed. Or sued. Farcassi and Trento don't get into the cui bono aspect of it all, presumably to avoid accusations of sensationalism or conspiracy theorism. But without this kind of reasoning, their film is meaningless. And incidentally, they don't mention the fourth plane, the one that crashed into a field - so does that mean that there were terrorists on that one?

    However, daft as it all is, I must now admit something. The film-makers do raise one legitimate question. It concerns WTC-7, the third tower that collapsed that day - still a little-known event - seven hours after the first two, apparently as a result of fire and debris damage. But it had not been struck by a plane. How exactly could that fall down? Well, that too is part of the back-and-forth slanging match between "truthers" and the rest. Perhaps if the Bush government hadn't been so secretive, so belligerent and dishonest, then this sort of loopiness wouldn't have found such fertile soil to grow.
     
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    I read that and few other very similar articles over the last few days mate - there is so much bullshit and political powershifting going on in this world at this present time- lots of agendas that have the power to ultimately remove our freedom if we're not careful - I certainly don't believe any of the mainstream news providers or corporate broadcasters that shove their version of the 'facts' in our faces - too many unanswered questions! - as for the previous reply from The Outlaw thanks for the copied/pasted review - but did you actually watch the documentary?
     
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    Some of it mate, but must admit not all. Seen some of it before. Done a lot of reading on this subject, and have concluded there isn't a lot to the conspiracy side. Yes, connections to the Bush family, Saudi royalty, Big Oil and the usual cast of characters. But, in my opinion, this was Al Qaeda. It all started in Egypt many years ago.

    Share much of your skepticism on mainstream media, but 9/11 was the act of terrorist ****heads.

    That review was from The Guardian some years ago btw.
     
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    I watched a film in hospital that got me thinking

    2 guns

    http://m.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1587915033?ref_=m_tt_ov_vi
     
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    What's it about?
     
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    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Just posted a link to trailer above mate

    Canny film, good entertainment, ****e at times but the undertone
     
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    Would suggest you view it all mate, it's an eye opening documentary keep an open mind - even if you're sceptical regarding alternative media stories - the film makes a very good counter -argument to the 'truth' as reported by the US government
     
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    All i know is there is more money in the underworld than above and it only takes 1 bad egg
     
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    Just watched this, and it's kinda of similar to loose change on you tube which is a similar conspiracy thing on 9/11.

    One major thing I can't get my head around

    The size of the hole in the pentagon which they say was caused by an airliner and it's only 5 metres wide.
     
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    So many bloody stupid conspiracy theories saying such things that the Holocaust didn't happen, man has never been to the moon and now the Twin Towers was all a hoax or a set up by the US government... The sad thing is that a hell of a lot of people actually believe these things..
     
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    A man gets shot in the head from point blank range there is gonna be mess?
     
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    It's not a case of being sad mate it's a case of questioning and looking for truths- I do not trust or believe any government - we only have to look at recent history to see that we are lied to on a regular basis - when profit and money is involved there will always be corruption - we are are controlled by a government that's controlled by corporations for example just look at the NHS being sold to the highest bidder - there is a bigger agenda going on under our nose - the majority of people seem to be looking the other way and not questioning why?
     
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    Google pictures of the pentagon mate and tell me a passenger jet hit it. There were 86 cameras that could see the pentagon, only a ****ty one where u can't see been released. Why not release them all and prevent these conspiracies?? Because they can't.
     
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    Sorry mate, but I find almost all of these conspiracy theories absolute bollocks and they do not stand up to any form of scrutiny..
     
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    As someone who works in the security industry, I can tell you that the last place the CCTV cameras would be pointing is up in the air...
     
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    They say the plane was flying 6 metres off the floor. And a passenger jet would of made more of a mess than this, not one bit of the plane was left, not even the engine parts which can withstand heat of 3,600 degrees
     

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    we went to war on the premise and bullshit of 'weapons of mass of mass destruction' - the reality is we went to war for oil nothing else - the west is responsible for the **** we're getting from religious extremist - they have a grudge -100's of thousands have died in Muslim countries because of the **** that happened from 9/11 onwards if the boot was on the other foot we would be pissed off too
     
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    Thats a but weak raw, mostly inteligence are either watching or are in the sky
     
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