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derland AFC Gus Poyet: Sunderland have always had RUBBISH teams - and I'm worried about mine

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  1. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    After one of their worst shows in years against Liverpool the Black Cats boss didn’t mince his words about the job he inherited
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    Catty: Gus Poyet slammed his Sunderland side after the loss to Liverpool
    Gus Poyet says Sunderland have had “rubbish” teams for years.

    The Sunderland boss has asked for “realism” as his mission to change the club stumbles towards another relegation fight.

    After one of their worst shows in years, which lacked fight, Poyet didn’t mince his words about the job he inherited.

    Asked why his side were not in the face of Liverpool players he said: “No that was the characteristics of one Sunderland side. Kevin Phillips and Quinn.
    “The rest of the teams of Sunderland did not have any characteristics. They were rubbish. They were playing for relegation and suffering. I am trying something. But we are miles away, to a point that it worries me a little bit.”

    Asked how similar his current side it to the “rubbish” outfits, Poyet replied: “I am just saying what I feel. We have to be realistic. Sunderland have been in the top ten once in the last 15 years I think.

    “The rest have been full of bad decisions and suffering. One season they had a player who scored 24 goals (Bent) and when that player left, no one has scored more than 15.

    “I could give you all the stats you like, but it is very simple. You cannot go backwards. Niall Quinn retired a few years ago and Kevin Phillips is a coach at Leicester so we can’t go back to that team.

    “We need to find a way together. Making the team play in a certain way. We have to be better and more adaptable, more intelligent on the pitch as a team and we are not.”



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    Poyet is unlikely to get much backing in the transfer market, and wants to create a passing side but his current players seem unable to match his demands.

    He conceded that “there was confusion” in his side during another home defeat.

    They have failed to score in ten of their 24 games this season.

    Asked about his mis-firing strikers Poyet said: “You have a big space in your paper and can write what you think.

    “I cannot ask for any more than that with the personnel we have got. I was expecting against Leeds for my team to control the game but we didn’t. That really made me feel bad.

    “The players coming back from injury have big big chances now. I need them. I hope they take them.”
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    A) Yes Gus, we know

    B) Play a system that suits the players you have and not the players you want

    C) PDC was right all along
     
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    "Poyet is unlikely to get much backing in the transfer market"
    If that is the case, I really fear the threat of relegation will become a reality. We must get a striker if nothing else
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    40,000 every other week and we can't expect much backing ........... while clubs on half our gates splash millions.

    Not really good enough is it?
     
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  5. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    You at least need a more productive scouting network if you're on a limited budget. There's plenty of players available winding down their contracts, surely.

    Poyet wasted far too much time with his fingers crossed for Borini in the summer in my opinion, you're right, somebody like Di Canio will have told him to 'sign now or forget it'. You already had a late start in the market not knowing what div you were going to be playing in, I think he made your situation a lot worse by sticking all of his eggs into just the one basket.
     
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    I'm not sure if Poyet is dynamic enough tbh.

    He's trying to get a symphony out of a banjo instead of bashing out a fiery stomp.

    Wickham was vilified by people who couldn't see that we barely managed to pass the ball over the halfway line.

    Even in injury time we were passing the ball square which hadn't worked for the previous 90 minutes.
     
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  9. Tel (they/them)

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    I think he just expects too much, surely before he signed he knew what he was getting himself into and that the team needed a lot of work.

    From what I can see, the guy is a good man-manager and tactically he seems modern and fresh, but he seems to change his team up to suit the team he's playing all too often, Sunderland need their own identity, to make other teams have to change their style to beat you, especially at home.

    I said after your game Cattermole would have made the difference, why's he not starting?
     
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    Hopefully he's really injured ..... either that or he wants to go to a club where he'll have better players around him.
    In that way he'll have a chance of playing for England, something that won't happen where he is.
     
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  11. billpev

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    gus is clueless. if you havnt got the meet to make a casserole, then make egg and chips. ps saying his team is rubbish will not help that is **** man management.
     
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  12. Hudson

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    Unfortunately, that couldn't be further from the truth.

    The main problem with Poyet is that he only has Plan A, and he never changes from that system. He occasionally changes players, but those players have to fit into that system. We set up exactly the same against every club, no matter home or away, or position in the league, and that is where our main problems lie.

    Over the last 2 seasons we have taken points off Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Tottenham etc. but we cant beat, and find it hard to score past, teams in the lower half of the table; simply because of the way we set up and the system we play. We are unable to break down teams because we start out too negatively. We don't commit men into the box and we don't play players in the centre of midfield who can do anything creatively.

    I for one only wish he would change his team up to suit the team he is playing! That's why you have a squad of players and why you work on different systems.
     
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    Its the attitude
     
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    I agree, its not the done thing, aye say you need to strengthen but to cover everyone is just wierd
     
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    7 of the players he appears to think are not good enough have been brought in under his watch.
     
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    I really hope you are wrong here Smug as we really need Catts like never before, I still think he needs another DM alongside him however as all our defenders are solid but very slow, if we are going to play attacking fullbacks, we need two DMs in there and not just Catts on his own. I have mentioned this before and was told that Gus,s "system" was sacrosanct, if so we are in it mate.
     
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    Must admit I`m beginning to get concerned.

    We know what he inherited.

    If Gus is persisting in playing a system way above the abilities of the players then, in my view, he`s wrong. As I see it there`s only two things he can do.

    a). He has to change the players to play the system he wants. Those non footballing business types who sit round the board room table say there`s no money so that`s out.

    b). Change the system to get the best out of the abilities of the players he has, until such time as he can improve the squad.

    It`s what Tony Pulis does to very good effect.

    By persisting with his system without having the players able to do it is inviting trouble. If the players can`t adapt he has to. At least for now.
     
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    "Poyet is unlikely to get much backing in the transfer market" - hmmm, Poyet didnt say that himself; Where did that nugget of info come from ?

    I want to see how the team shapes up once both full backs get back to 100% match fitness.
    I want to see Mandron getting a couple of starts if Wickham and Fletch aren't up for the job and if we cant find a decent striker in this transfer window.
    I want to see the players taking more responsibility. They stepped up once Bridcutt was sent off. Why didnt they do it any earlier ? Typical Sunderland post cup game win syndrome ?

    I still think Poyet is the manager to take us forward, but more patience will be needed and he needs to get a more positive attitude to games. I can understand how the constant "nearly there but not quite making it" can wear thin after a while for any manager, and the fact we win a game looking like he has finally cracked it and the team/players take 2 steps back again in the next game must be bloody depressing but he has got to take a step back, get some perspective and distance, then crack on with it.

    Not making excuses, but the refereeing decisions against us are driving me mad. its bloody ridiculous at times
     
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  19. Poyet's Eleven

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    In my life time we have always been rubbish <wah> I'd stick with Gus though. We'll have consistency at the very least. I'd love us to do well in the FA Cup this season
     
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    This is really easy to sum up in one sentence

    Gus is looking way more limited then squad he's accusing of limitations and he needs to take a leaf out of Mick Mccarthy's book by being thankful of what he's got and use his tactical management to make the situation better.
     
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