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littleDinosaurLuke said:
And of course people do many things under the influence of alcohol they wouldn't dream of doing sober. That might include "consenting" to sex. Or drinking Jagerbombs. Or driving their car home. In the latter two examples, being too drunk to know what you're going isn't a get out.
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Thats why the whole issue of informed/uninformed consent is such a grey area legally speaking. Somewhere there is fine line between a conscious yet drunken decision and someone taking advantage of someone else when they're in no state to consent to sexual contact. But that line is so fine its practically invisible at times and its hugely open to interpretation from both the standpoint of a jury and the person reporting the crime, if I'm to be highly, highly cynical. For a young man its a worrying situation that you have to be hugely wary of at times. Alcohol and other substances make rape and sexual assault as crimes such a maze to justly convict or acquit. There are some cases, perhaps this may be one of them, where we never know what the truly just outcome may be.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
This might clear it up a bit, NSIS: https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

My problem with it isn't that Evans was convicted, but that both men weren't given the same verdict.
I can't understand that at all.
I have mixed feelings about his future in the game, too.
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A first read tells me that this whole thing remains very ambiguous.
The Huddlefro said:
Thats why the whole issue of informed/uninformed consent is such a grey area legally speaking. Somewhere there is fine line between a conscious yet drunken decision and someone taking advantage of someone else when they're in no state to consent to sexual contact. But that line is so fine its practically invisible at times and its hugely open to interpretation from both the standpoint of a jury and the person reporting the crime, if I'm to be highly, highly cynical. For a young man its a worrying situation that you have to be hugely wary of at times. Alcohol and other substances make rape and sexual assault as crimes such a maze to justly convict or acquit. There are some cases, perhaps this may be one of them, where we never know what the truly just outcome may be.
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As I posted earlier, it places a huge onus on a young ( probably equally intoxicated ) man. Slightly misjudge the situation or the lady, get the wrong jury, and all of a sudden the rest of your life is ruined.
 
After today's results, I predict that Stuart Pearce will be sacked by Forest within he next few days and I predict Darren Ferguson will be sacked by Peterborough within the next few days.
 
O.Spurcat said:
After today's results, I predict that Stuart Pearce will be sacked by Forest within he next few days and I predict Darren Ferguson will be sacked by Peterborough within the next few days.
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Given the investment at Forest, I'd say that Pearce has been walking a tightrope since their form dropped off.
Great start, lost to us and then **** ever since. Very odd.

Peterborough's chairman has sort of backed Ferguson, though.
He's posted a series of tweets slagging off their players, the ref and some of the fans, anyway! <laugh>
 
Peterborough were second after around a dozen games, but have had the worst form in the division since. Ditto Forest.

When you're expected to challenge for the play-offs at least and are now mid table, your prospects are slim in today's game. Had they started badly and been on the up, they may have stood a chance. But it's the reverse; that means curtains for both soon, I think.
 
But 20 women?20 women?They can't all be wrong.....can they?

p.s Whilst there is no deterrent to murderers except putting them behind bars and you and me and everyone else feeding them for free with free health care,they will keep on doing it!
 
"Slightly misjudge the situation or the lady, get the wrong jury, and all of a sudden the rest of your life is ruined."

So the man with A BRAIN CELL does not indulge in the act.
Want to use the phrase "beyond reasonable doubt" for court cases ?? Use it here too.
 
bigsmithy9 said:
But 20 women?20 women?They can't all be wrong.....can they?

p.s Whilst there is no deterrent to murderers except putting them behind bars and you and me and everyone else feeding them for free with free health care,they will keep on doing it!
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20 women? Is that in reference to Bill Cosby?

The death penalty doesn't work, Smithy.
It's not an effective deterrent, it's not cheaper than life imprisonment and it's irreversible.
Look at the USA. Their death penalty states consistently have more murders than those without:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/det...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates
 
The RDBD said:
"Slightly misjudge the situation or the lady, get the wrong jury, and all of a sudden the rest of your life is ruined."

So the man with A BRAIN CELL does not indulge in the act.
Want to use the phrase "beyond reasonable doubt" for court cases ?? Use it here too.
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I can't accept that. In the vast majority of these cases we are dealing with two young people who have had too much to drink. Yet the onus is placed on the man to exercise a judgement that he most probably is in no fit state to make.

There have been well documented cases of girls only crying rape when the sobered up and subsequently regretted what they'd done. Some have even been found guilty of perjury.

In this case, there is absolutely no evidence apart rom one person's word against another's. For reasons known only to them, the jury decided that they believed McDonald and not the girl. In Evans' case they reversed their decision. Bizarre, to say the least.
 
"I can't accept that. In the vast majority of these cases we are dealing with two young people who have had too much to drink. Yet the onus is placed on the man to exercise a judgement that he most probably is in no fit state to make."

The judgement should IMHO be "decline" by default in nearly all of them.
Consider the scenario to be akin to a potential partner who is offering you sex
without use of condoms, and act accordingly.
 
The RDBD said:
"I can't accept that. In the vast majority of these cases we are dealing with two young people who have had too much to drink. Yet the onus is placed on the man to exercise a judgement that he most probably is in no fit state to make."

The judgement should IMHO be "decline" by default in nearly all of them.
Consider the scenario to be akin to a potential partner who is offering you sex
without use of condoms, and act accordingly.
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Yes, spoken like a sober, intelligent man. Unfortunately, the case we are discussing involves neither.

Also, if you recall, a mixture of a young man's libido and alcohol are a very difficult combination to suppress.
 
"Unfortunately, the case we are discussing involves neither."

Irrespective of the specifics of the case, to a young football player remotely
possessing brain cells, this should be a timely warning as to the risks your
potential (only ?? ) lucrative livelihood face if you behave in a certain manner.


"Also, if you recall, a mixture of a young man's libido and alcohol are a very difficult combination to suppress."

Alcohol, it promotes the desire but takes away the performance !!! <Macbeth>
 
The RDBD said:
"Unfortunately, the case we are discussing involves neither."

Irrespective of the specifics of the case, to a young football player remotely
possessing brain cells, this should be a timely warning as to the risks your
potential (only ?? ) lucrative livelihood face if you behave in a certain manner.


"Also, if you recall, a mixture of a young man's libido and alcohol are a very difficult combination to suppress."

Alcohol, it promotes the desire but takes away the performance !!! <Macbeth>
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In a situation like that, nobody is going to think, "oh, I better be careful here, she might scream rape afterwards, and I'll go away for 5 years" you don't stop to evaluate risks! It's not a business decision!....

Never did in my case. Only an extreme amount of it would stop the old fella from rising to the occasion.
 
If I see Thierry Henry on my Sky TV screen one more time, I am going to be really tempted to put my foot through it. Their current love-in with this guy is now completely embarrassing.
 
O.Spurcat said:
If I see Thierry Henry on my Sky TV screen one more time, I am going to be really tempted to put my foot through it. Their current love-in with this guy is now completely embarrassing.
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He's the darling of one of the Sky4 teams, the rest of us mere mortals just have to suck it down and bow our heads to his omnipotent and omniscient footballing presence.
 
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