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How long before Bruce is made to issue an apology?

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  1. Fez

    Fez Well-Known Member

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    Do you have to apply for it? :shocked:
     
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  2. Spook

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    Yes, because you were drunk.

    Rape. Apparently.
     
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  3. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    She was filth, I wouldn't be surprised if she stuck a finger or two up my jacksy.

    I had another go on her a few weeks later anarl, her clit was like a walnut, that certainly penetrated me.
     
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  4. Fez

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    It would seem you're asking the wrong guy, Andy; flash, bang, thank you ma'am, that's the Minuteman. <cheers>
     
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  5. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Whereas of course you're a self appointed expert in how every victim of rape has ever felt I suppose....

    Such a cop out comment aimed solely at deriding the opinion of male contributors who disagree with you, by taking the "you just don't understand" line. You tried it the other night when you were spent as well.
     
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  6. Fez

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    It might also mean that, as he inferred, he has been close to the detail, perhaps more than you, Obi and I? Bruce isn't a daft lad (well, okay, his team selections and subs can be ****e), doesn't his commitment give you pause for thought?
     
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  7. Charon

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    If you're drunk and she doesn't ask for your consent and you don't say yes, then you've been raped
     
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  8. Fez

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    Have you heard of 'Roasting'? It was an invitation to the room Evans had paid for. seeing as how so much of the burden of proof on Evans is circumstantial supposition, did the subsequent actions of MacDonald not lead to believe, in the same abstract way as Evans was found guilty, that they were all playing the game; except one of them forget - didn't care, just forgot, the night, the shags, her pizza, her morals, oh yes, I almost forgot, and her handbag.

     
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  9. Blaknamberblood

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    Well for my bit kudos goes to Brucie for saying what a lot of us think, the evidence is thin to say the least, gotta say i was hugely surprised when he was found guilty, but no doubt the haters will jump on his words and castigate the bloke.
     
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  10. Willson

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    Again not technically as long as she didn't penetrate him in some way, it's only sexual assault.

    The whole consent thing is a bit ridiculous anyway. You meet a girl on a night out or after a date and take her home, you start kissing her on the sofa and say let's go upstairs, you go into the bedroom and start taking her clothes off. Is it at this point that you are supposed to explicitly ask them if they are willing to engage in sexual intercourse with you? I've never once stopped what I was doing and asked a girl that specific question and no girl has done the same thing to ask me. Does that mean that we both raped each other? The only way one person knows if the other doesn't want to have sex is if they say so or make actions which suggest it. I absolutely agree that no means no but if the other person goes along with everything and then decides the next day that they regret it that does not make it rape.
     
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  11. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I doubt many go straight to twitter to brag about how they've just won big when they hear their 'attacker' has just been charged.
     
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  12. Amin Yapusi

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    Or offer to sell their silence for a ludicrous amount of cash.
     
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  13. Ron Burguvdy

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    Consent & Capacity to Consent - two different things in law
     
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  14. Obadiah

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    I'm sure what you are suggesting is why the prosecution charged both of them. The prosecution may well have believed it was code for both of them to rape a drunken young woman. Unfortunately for the prosecution there was no evidence that MacDonald was aware Evans was going to turn up so he was found not guilty.

    The Appeal Court judges said that there was filmed evidence of the inside of the hotel room up to the curtains being closed. That would have shown how drunk she was and if it included MacDonald having sex with her, how energetic she was.

    You have the same idea of whether she was playing the game as I do. However if you believe Evans, there was no spit roasting. If there had of been MacDonald may well have been found guilty. Penetration of her mouth without consent is rape according to Section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. MacDonald would have been in the same boat as Evans regarding consent. He would have had to prove before Evans turned up she had agreed to a threesome. The jury convicted Evans and 4 judges decided that the conviction was "safe".
     
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  15. Tobes

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    The videos taken showed no discernible images so you've just made that up
     
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  16. Obadiah

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    You said the video wasn't used in evidence, have you changed your mind?

    The Appeal Court judges said that what was taking place in the hotel room was filmed. Here the full quote from the official transcript:

    "10. The applicant's two companions remained outside the hotel. They looked through the bedroom window and filmed what was taking place with a mobile telephone until the curtains to the bedroom were closed."
     
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  17. Amin Yapusi

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    Just how might one penetrate a mouth without consent?
     
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  18. Obadiah

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    Do you really not know? Do you think that in the thousands of years we've been on this planet no man or woman has every been forced to give head?
     
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  19. Tobes

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    No, I haven't changed my mind, as the video was unusable as it contained indiscernible images, the fact that it wa taken isn't in question, but it's ****ing irrelevant and therefore couldn't be used as you suggested to prove she was incapacitated
     
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  20. Obadiah

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    The Court of Appeal judges thought it relevant enough to mention it.
     
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