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Refs called out

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by astro, Jan 7, 2015.

  1. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Plus the culture of appealing. Players surrounding the ref has been reduced but it bugs me when defenders put their arms up for offside, just play to the whistle. Same for throw ins. Everyone automatically calls for everything and it's just **** and part of an attitude of constantly lying.
     
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    Nope.

    You can't justify cheating by saying it was bad calls that created it.

    Referees are humans and will therefore make mistakes, this has always been the case, but the diving culture has only arrived in our domestic game in the last 20 years.
     
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    Yeah but before that was the violence culture.
     
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    Honest violence though ;)
     
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    I don't think it was foreign players.
    I think it was foreign refs. You always got away with more physicality in England, it was after all a contact sport, now semi contact sport.

    I think that as reffing became more and more intolerant of physical football, diving and going down easy went up. I reckon you'd not get most of the free kicks given these days 15 years ago.
    At the other send of the scale where refs allowed everything physical amost, there were no divers, back 50 years ago.

    Who's gonna dive if they are about 99% certain they ain't gonna get **** from the ref. No one really
     
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    Not justifying it, this is not monopoly with your Granny tobes, when we're talking millions of ££ involved, cheating "within the rules" is entirely acceptable by all concerned in the game even if they do publicly display fake morality and say it is wrong, but really they'd do it again.
    Like Rooney's apology that Ferguson literally pulled out of him with a pliers.

    Going down easy gradually grew with soft reffing that allowed less and less contact, it was bound to happen the more the sport became less physical.
    You'll see the likes of Ivanovic fallling over in a tussle with someone like Sterling.

    In what walk of live do people not take advantage of opportunities?
     
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    Cheating is still cheating, and the more apologists there are for it, the more it will happen. I suppose it all depends on whether or not you want to see it in the game. We're all so outraged when someone else does it, but happy to see our own side benefit from it?
    Get rid now, as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    All true, but sad nonetheless, I'm getting ****ing old :(
     
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    Have to say, this is an entirely new concept to me :)
     
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    Not just you mate, I remember when you had to do something to actually warrant a red card in order to get one and I also remember players going on a run and being kicked by 2 or three people and just kept going <laugh>

    Football is turning into foxyboxing
     
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    any cheating that is accepted and only carries a minimal penalty is cheating within the rules beacuse a the minimal penalty for it means it is accepted. Given how dives can alter a game, a more severe punishment is needed.

    We will never be able to do anything about going down easy except by changing the rules on what contact is allowed, that is the ONLY way it will ever change.

    Scotland tried to do the retrorespective thing and FIFA said **** off. otherwise in the SPL proven cases of 0 contact got you banned, which would be effective, except in last day league deiders or finals where no one cares as long as they win.
     
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    haha, you'd have to literally punch someone in the grid or go in two footed around the waist to get a red.

    I remember derby games with genuine bone crunching 50/50's that were cheered as loud as a goal.
     
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    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    They still are<ok>
     
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    Bone crunchers that both players walked away from because they both went in strong.

    What really gets me about the modern game is when players see a challenge coming in and put themselves in front of it to draw the foul. Hazard has made an art out of it, he's great at tempting you to go for the ball and sticks his leg out so you end up kicking him. Hardly honest, cheating within the rules that is. Probably that's why he is one of the most fouled players.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    bah... when i was young maradonna was in his pomp and literraly hacked up by these hatchet men you lot love. he was f'n kicked to death.

    if diego maradonna was around today he'd put messi to shame. messi is lucky (as is ronaldo) that they've not been kicked to early career endinds
     
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