"However you're responsible for your actions, if you get drunk and end up killing someone then it's your fault so youre to blame if you get drunk and end up in someone else's bed" Someone should tell that to the judge.. She can't even remember if she had sex with Ched Evans, how the hell can they assume she never said yes? I should stress here Ched Evans probably took advantage of a situation that had presented itself in front of him and it was a sneaky, lowdown thing to do, he had probably had a few beers himself and this is an example of where too much alcohol can take you, I'll bet the pair of them wish they never stepped foot in that kebab shop that night.
True Banksy, he may be a lowlife pr**k who took full advantage if a situation when he should have known much better, but without knowing all the facts it does not make him a rapist to my mind.
I get drunk a lot but always seem to end up in my own bed Ok, I've also slept in my wheelie bin occasionally too...
Sounds like an offence against a wheelie bin. I can see the waste disposal trade turning on you forever and a day. The problem is rape is a terrible crime which has not been properly prosecuted for various reasons and this is seen as a male dominated "cop out". Unfortunately Evans has become embroiled in this whole unsavoury mess.
The trouble is when we assess these issues in society there seems to be an ill thought out, total opposite response from the angry torch mob and the balance doesn't get struck properly. I suppose the part I have to question is the basic right in law of innocent until proven guilty, and I just can't see how in this case guilt was proven if the girl cannot even remember it happening and never actually made a rape complaint until Evans said he had sex with her? it seems this basic part of law doesn't suit anymore so we move the goalposts and damn the consequences. http://www.channel4.com/news/rape-convictions-myths-why-so-low-england
I am with Banksy on this, I have found this to be one of the biggest media farces I have ever seen. By no way is this rape, and should ever be considered such. Before you all throw stones, ask yourselves how many times you have slept with someone who is two times over the drink drive limit in your life. As apparently, according to the judge condemning Ched Evans, thats all a person needs to be to not be able to give ANY consent! By definition that makes this the biggest nation of rapists in history in my book! As the amount of women, spouses included who drink to socially acceptable levels and beyond in this country are all rape victims by that logic! Men included! Fair play to Steve Bruce for making common sense statements.
I said essentially the same thing on OTIB and got absolutely rinsed. It's what I come to expect from the intelligence level on there to be fair.
The whole situation has become a crazed media circus, a sinister cause célèbre. Why has there been so much hoo-ha about Evans when there was none, or little, about Hughes, McCormick or King? Oldham and Sheff Utd should grow a pair. This has become ridiculous and has been hijacked by those who like to be professionally offended.
So we're all now happy on here if he signs for City next week?... Now waiting for all the buts to roll in......
All that is needed now is an "on line petition" which says that we should all reserve judgement on Evans until such time as the review is completed. Having said that I read somewhere that this will take 35 weeks. Why so long? So let's see who tries to sign him next. As for me those who have "rushed to judgement" and threatened all sorts have gone down in my estimation. That includes Jessica Ennis who did not of course refuse to compete when D. Chambers won his case to be allowed to compete. The reason of course was because it would cost her too much in prize money.
It is clear to me that what constitutes rape is as clear as mud http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...f-rape-and-consent-is-changing-Heres-how.html One must therefore question what "weight" the verdict in this case attracts. While the scale and degree of rape seems to have a tremendous range, this case must come somewhere near the bottom and one must wonder why those opposing Evans are so venomous. I suspect their venom is more so directed at the crime itself and its "degree of difficulty" (proof wise) and hence low prosecution rates, rather than the individual himself. There is no doubt that Evans was an overpaid sexist pig but the case has to a degree given the whole issue of rape bags of publicity which is what I suspect the objectors want and he should now be allowed to get on with his life. I suspect also those who brought the case will forever be linked with their decision due to the unnecessary publicity it has attracted.
After all I have said I wouldn't want to sign him, as others have said why change all the positivity we have at the moment for a media circus of negativity.. Ched Evans is no mate of mine he made his own bed, he can lie in it.. I just don't think he's a rapist though, a **** maybe! I should also clarify that I don't think the young girl involved deserved any of the consequences or fall out she received from this, a young girl almost the same age of my daughter will be distraught and have had her life destroyed by it all, she didn't deserve that and for all the tweets about 'hitting the big time' she's just a kid and we all make mistakes..
Got to be honest, since I said I didn't want to comment on it I've done a lot of thinking and listened to Rev Banksy QC and speaking to my wife (who has read more into the case than me, being an HR Director makes it more interesting to her) on it who says the law says he's done his time so should be allowed to return to his profession. She also said that why should he apoligise he believes he's inocent so why apoligise to make the rest of us "ahh that's ok then". I'm starting to think, maybe he didn't do excatly what we believe, maybe he's done what countless of us have done and that's gone out, got offered it on a plate and took it without thinking about the repercussions. At the end what if he didn't consent to it? What if she rubbed him up got him excited thst he acted on his hormones? I've said I've slept with some girls after a night pissed out my head, and couldn't get away quick enough when I saw her sober. I can't remember saying to them yes you can have me? So can I claim rape? No because they will say because I got the erection, I done the movements then I knew excatly what I was doing plus I could stop at any time. But in reallity once you've started its pretty difficult to actually stop. I'm still on the fence, but swaying towards maybe he is innocent, of rape just guilty of stupidity of getting himself into this situation. But with the media circus, no I would not want him here.
'Fair play to Steve Bruce for making common sense statements' Totally agree. I wish a few other managers would also speak their mind. Bloody chickens.
Let's be honest here, none of us now the true facts,only evans and the girl do. But he was jailed,now if i had been jailed, i would be going hook,line and sinker to clear my name and claim compo for loss of earnings and reputation.
Clearly he can't sue her but imagine the ducking and diving which will be going on if the review says the case should have never been brought in the first place. All in all rape is more complicated than the offside rule!!
