I think killing is wrong in most religions … There are many religions I can't even begin to understand but never would i attack them or debate their views. The clear answer to all of this is for science to come out and say outright there is no gods … trouble is when that happens the devil has won … and if he exists then is there a god what combines this all … fear…. it's human nature. My current view is that I am not keen on the religion of America … they have a lot to answer for and it seems at last they are beginning to know it
Problem is, science has no proof either way. We are just as likely to all be in a matrix, created by advanced people who managed to create computers that have a conscience, as to be in a World created by a religious God. In fact, I'd put my money on the former over the latter. No proof though. And last time I checked, America wasn't a religion.
Unfortunately we never learn from history. Religion is a massive debate and one which will never be settled amicably. To kill over a cartoon sketch is unbelievable and nothing but death in return for the culprits is acceptable. But tell them there won't be 40 virgins waiting for them on the other side!
Apparently Bob it depends on which interpretation of the Koran you follow anyway. As Mahommed was an illiterate small scale merchant who dreamed the word of God and then dictated it to followers, and Arabic is a very flexible language, it may well be 40 raisins that are promised to them. On minimal further research I may have made that up about the raisins, but sure I remembered it from somewhere or other. But they are promised wine, which they are explicitly denied before death. And there is nothing in the Koran about 40, 50 or 72 virgins in paradise, just a bit about full breasted women.
Turn it in Bobby. The last time you saw a virgin was when you went to see the re-release of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in 1958
Thought it sounded a tad dodgy, 40 virgins! It's some bloody promise, now if the bible promised that then I may just take up arms.
Looks like they've tracked the two on the run down. On the wireless this morning I heard that what passes as the Saudi Arabian legal system has found a man guilty of blasphemy on some website he set up. His punishment? 50 lashes on Friday. And then another 50 lashes on every Friday for 50 weeks. In countries like this, and Pakistan, you cannot even have a theoretical discussion about what blasphemy is and whether satire is blasphemous without committing the sin of blasphemy. Textbook Orwellian thoughtcrime. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are of course our 'allies'. Yet we stand firm with Charlie Hebdo. Hey, Doublethink! Respect my arse.
It's an easy task to find dreadful faults on both sides of opposing cultures and civilisations but history has shown us that the only way forward to achieve any sort of harmony … a harmony of peace what we all strive or wish for? requires understanding, tolerance and in the end respect grows. I fully understand and accept that this will maybe never be the case regarding our general feelings about today's problems but it poses a few points IMO. How can we wish, dream or drive towards a solution if we don't try to accept other peoples beliefs? Either we ignore it but then IMO we can't wish hope or expect these attacks to stop. I fully respect people who stand and make their feelings clear either way … those who want revenge are driven by the same passion of the attackers but the problem will always continue. If all we have is disgust without action where does that put us? People just don't get on they never have … we all think differently do we? or are we pretending that we do? or are we manipulated into thinking we are all different? In the UK I grew up in a time where our emery was transmitted to all of us to be across the Irish Sea … we lived then in terror times… In the playgrounds we all shared Irish jokes … they were ripe and carried the them that all Irish people were thick. They were all dangerous terrorists also. I can remember at the time it didn't seem right and the whole thing was served up to us as fear. Lots of people were killed and targets were attacked everywhere and even right in my back yard in East Sussex in a hamlet where my best friend still lives. Ian Gow was blown apart a mile from my house because he was a target having openly spoken his mind. I never agreed with what he said and I certainly never agreed with the bollocks that came after his assassination. My point? where are we now will that conflict? we had to understand tolerant and understand a cause and work towards a peaceful conclusion. Today you rarely hear thick Irish jokes because attitudes have changed if it hadn't then we would still be getting bombed … Our governance at the time was wrong and we were ruled by bullshit and fear … something had to change and it did … common sense prevailed I believe that the same principle has to apply to what is of course a far bigger problem … we caused a lot of the problems its our responsibility to put it right
I respect people’s rights have beliefs be that religious or otherwise, however I also believe in my right to dismiss most as fairy tales for over grown children as this is something I believe, mostly due to there being NO evidence for an almighty (on the religious side of things). Also I refuse to respect those who infringe on other peoples human rights be that freedom of speech, people to be able to be open about their sexuality and the rights of women to name a few. This is the case here with freedom of speech, if religions or authorities are not held accountable to criticism and ridicule they will become closed and more susceptible to further corruption whereupon there is nobody in a position to question their actions. This is happening in the UK where SOME women in particular aren’t allowed to be part of lager society not being able to communicate outside of a very closed community. From the way I have heard certain Muslim men talk at my work life must be pretty bad, no way I would want anyone I cared for to be treated. Make no mistake I’m not saying this is the case though out the entire Muslim world (and I’m fully aware these mind sets are not exclusive to Islamic faiths), however I can only talk from what I hear and see. Whilst I have a couple of people I consider friends who practice the faith I struggle at times due to their views on women and not one Muslim I have known has considered homosexuality as ‘acceptable’. Personally I consider that far more offensive than any cartoon.
