Do you think he should be able to play again? It is a big risk by Oldham if they are supposedly to sign him - http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30681333 - sponsors will leave and well a very bad image for the club. One one hand, he doesn't deserve to play ever again and his appeal is also in process which might not help. However, not just as he is going to play football but then, do all criminals who are released deserve to work back into society? Tin of worms really....
I think he will play but not in England. He will have to go somewhere else. The problem I see is he was alleged to have raped a girl, he went to court and was found guilty of this crime. He then went to prison and has done his time there. Normally he would be accepted back into society but rape and other crimes against women do attract a far bigger reaction against the person who did them. Then he has not indicated any regret of what he has done, which adds to the anger. Also with the way people use twitter and other electric he has very large problems. My final though is he needs a second chance, not at my club and this chance will not be in an English speaking country.
i think he should have been sent down for a longer term say 10 years this would have given him time to try and prove that he was not guilty weather players like it or not they are paid to be roll models . football can do without ched evans .
I thought that he would have to go abroad to restart his career, but then found out that he cannot. He was sentenced to five years and released after 2.5 years. He cannot work abroad until the five years is up as he is on probation.
I think part of the problem is that the majority of people don't read past the headlines. They see footballer, rape, money, alcohol, drugs.... they see several others on not dissimilar charges and acquitted. They see household name international stars acquitted of violent crime when on the face of it their guilt is apparent, obvious even. Someone has to be guilty. Someone has to pay. Ched Evans is apparently the man. I am unconvinced. Far too much reasonable doubt for rape. It's certainly incomprehensible that Evans is guilty and MacDonald is innocent. The judges direction rather than the evidence and testimony removed the "reasonable" doubt from the minds of the jurors. What Evans and MacDonald did was at best morally dubious and certainly took advantage of the situation the girl put herself into. It very much strikes me the the girl awoke ashamed and cried... One thing's for sure is that nobody emerges from this with any credit whatsoever and a decent footballing career has been totally ruined because some tart imbibed too many drugs of one sort or another and ended up with a footballer who, like most them, has far too much money than sense. Unless his conviction is overturned Evans has no chance.
It seems to me that many of those who offer their opinions on this matter, do so without taking the time to read and understand the real facts and details behind this case and offer their opinion based on their own position. That is how they come to call the victim a tart! Of course all convicts should be allowed the opportunity to redeem themselves and resume their lives - just as Deeney has been able to do at Watford. However in this case there has been no contrition, no apology to the victim for the way she was treated. In fact, Evans and his supporters have carried out a campaign to vilify and harrass the victim - this included breaking the law and naming her on Twitter. Have any of you taken a look at his website? It continues to vilify the victim. Evans has been supported by his very rich future farher in law, who according to The Indepedent today is prepared to pay his wages for this season at Oldham - whilst the victim has been harassed so much she has had to move home 5 times. Evans girlfriend was one of those convicted of revealing the identity of the victim. What did these fine upstanding football professionals do after the sordid events that night? Did they check the victim was OK? No they left her in their own hotel room, with no handbag, no phone - they just pissed off and left her. Evans is a low life scum who has not shown one ounce of remorse and has orchestrated a campaign to harrass and vilify the victim he raped. Yes, in our society he should be given the chance to resume his career, but any decent football club should not consider him until he had shown some contrition and stops this campaign against the victim. It will be an interesting moral dilemma for his future father-in-law if the legal challenge fails (as the appeal did) - would you like a son-in-law who goes for a night out and rapes a women whilst your daughter is sitting at home. I am very glad that Watford are not involved.
He should not be back as a professional footballer. I bet a group of fans will be arrested for abusing him. He should of been given a **** job working 40 hours a week for £400
I am afraid I don't know the facts or where to get them.... My daughter a very streetwise Leeds clubber is convinced that the girl took him to the cleaners so to speak,,, she says she has seen tweets and the like of the girl herself saying as much. I just don't understand how one guy can get off and carry on with his life as if he had done no wrong and another guy be found guilty go to prison and be vilified for ever after.... and the were both there and they both had sex with her. Has the appeal taken place? Why does he show no remorse/contrition if he knows it would show him in good light? Unless he believes himself to be innocent of a crime?? What a mess eh......
I believe that it is harder in the UK to even get allegations of rape to court, let alone convictions than almost anywhere in the western world. Less than one in thirty women who make official complaints get to see the accused in court. Hornet Fez, you are suggesting that the judge misdirected the jury, yet the case has been appealed when if there had been this miscarriage it would have been brought to the attention of the three appeal judges. The charge of rape is extremely difficult to prove, yet the police, the CPS, the judge and jury at his trial all thought him guilty. As things stand he has been convicted and now hopes somehow that he can persuade another body that the others mentioned above were wrong.
Well this particular person who called her a tart made pretty damned certain he got his facts from the court papers and appeal proceedings and can hand on heart say no newspapers were read in the forming of my opinion. Not nice fellas, no. Wouldn't want them around my daughter. Wouldn't want to know them full stop. And trust me on this: I have been the victim of violent crime. I have seen the perpetrators lie through the teeth and then laugh in court after their acquittal. I have seen a complete lack of contrition, what it looks like up close. Evans is certainly lacking a moral backbone but so was all of the company he kept that night and one of them decided to play the victim card.
What cleaners did she take him to Yorkie? He has paid no compensation, she has not sold her story to the press, so what has been her financial gain? She did not go back to the hotel room with both men, she went back to the room with one of them after agreeing to after meeting him in a Kebab shop - after she had sex with him, Evans entered the room (let in by the porter) and had his turn. Again I ask what sort of men would just leave her in their own bedroom without checking she was OK? Evans appeal was thrown out and he is now trying the legal review road - I think I heard on the radio that this may take 35 months and the success rate of such reviews is approx 10%. To me this stinks of my money trying to buy the law and use almost any means to achieve it.
But she did not decide to play the victim card. She went to the Plice because she thought her drink had been spiked and she had losr her handbag and phone. It was the Police who investigated and pieced together the events and together with the CPS brought the charges. Reading the testimony and the series of events, I can see how it is comprehensible why the first man was acquitted as she accepted his offer to go back to his room, but she did not agree to Evans joining them. She is a victim and continues to be one.
Really not sure where to go with this.... best for me to duck this one Just been looking into it a bit more.... He does have human rights..... but I have little sympathy for him or his lifestyle.... so don't really want to defend him...
Quite so. So's we're clear I'm not defending him but I am questioning the safety of the conviction. The thing is that nobody in that room helped themselves at all. Evans doing a runner was none too clever either. Glad we have nothing to do with any of them.
i honestly don't know where i stand on this one. i think Ched Evans' agent hasn't helped him one bit. Trying to get him back into football before his appeal has been heard seems ludicrous. I do understand why he shows no remorse...to the public, that would be an admission of guilt and he still stands by his innocence. It makes to sense for him to be jailed for rape, yet his mate gets off scot free...how does that work? Either they are both guilty or both innocent, surely. Quite apart from that, it worries me that he has been made the centre of a media frenzy that didn't make as much of other sex offenders, Marlon King for example, who managed to get job after job after doing time and then more time. Also the players (i don't remember their names) who both were drink driving and murdered innocent people, 2 of them children. They 'did their time' and were welcomed back into football, no other job would ever give them their jobs back, of that i'm sure! So why does the Ched Evans case stand out so much? The victim has apparently tweeted that she's going to buy 2 minis with the compensation she gets...that doesn't mean she's not a victim, but to say it publically is odd, imo. Would i want him at Watford? No. I think he should serve his time, until he is proved innocent. 2 and a half more years and he probably would have slid under the radar and been back at Sheffield United for his rehabilitation. It's too soon, it's too raw, and it's not concluded. So for those reasons, he shouldn't be playing football...yet.
Good point re others, but I believe the question of intent is the main point. King did show intent and although he is a filthy piece of ~~~~, his crime was not as serious (it was serious, but rape is worse). The footballer drivers who killed did not intend to kill, although they had been reckless to the safety of others. I think there is a backlash, to an extent, against the criminal justice system, whereby two and half years (for that is the time served - forget five years handed down) is not seen to be enough. Add to that, Evans does not realise that what he did was wrong. Whether "tart" or stupid, or 'girl next door', those are all red herrings, it doesn't matter, she was raped. Points made above about the CPS and police are quite correct. It has been proved to police, to CPS, to a court of law, beyond reasonable doubt, that Evans is a rapist. Forget appeals, as it stands, he is a rapist. The question re his job is another interesting one. If you could guarantee a sex offender would not commit again, would you be happy for them to teach children in a school? Nor would I. 'Served his time', yes he has (not close to enough IMHO, but that is what judge gave), and he should be free to follow a new career. Away from children, and, like it or like it not, footballers are role-models for kids, if he were allowed to be a role-model for children (and young men), it would trivialise (further than the trivial sentence the judge gave him) the crime of rape to those who are impressionable, causing perhaps future serious crime of this nature.
