the details are basically all over the place cos is all twatter etc. Just want to say... everyone have your say but I for one... speaking as a mod have to ask lets keep it civil (this includes RHC's comment above) here and well... this is where you guys see where this goes i guess.
ahh sure the midn boggles. here you have Islamic state, undertaking a massive operation to create this massive state and what do they do.. keep in mind at most they have 30,000 fighters, given the cost, NATO is spending your tax dollars, about $15 million per militant killed. War is great profit, transfers your money into money for weapons manufacturers and helpes create the environment that is perfect to lock down societies with "terrorism laws" Threaten and attack the following/ US Australia Canada UK France. yes, that's how you succeed, by provoking some of the most powerful nations on earth and making threats. Sure look, read how we got to where we are now with "ISIS", they are the same people as Al Nusra(al Qaeda) and ISIL(a group of Syrian dissident grous) by Seymour Hersh, award winning journalist. CIA MI6 all over it. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
Bollocks, it was totally relevant to the discussion as you were trying to make out that todays attack was a result of western persecution of Muslims. I was pointing out that it was down the the ridiuclous over reaction of Islamic fundamentalists to any perceived heresy, which is hardly new
Never said they all were. This is almost as much as an hysterical over reaction as these nutters today. I said Islamafascists. Extremists like the Christian and Zionist ones to whom you refer: it wasn't them that committed this act today though.
Benoît Bringer is a wtiness, very convenient. Independent film maker and journalist who covered Afghanistan and Pakistan, two NATO slash terrorism hotbeds. Unfortunately the "facts" of what happened here, will they be facts, it's all down to who you trust and what you believe.. unfortunately. This and the Sydney siege of recent months are the sort of hollywood things that capture the imagination of the public. They are also the very sorts of things that manufacture consent so as to have joe public cheer on his loss of rights and accept more war and military spending
Hollywood? It's just plain revolting, same as the public execution of Lee Rigby, these extremists are looking for a reaction, to strike fear into the populus. All they succeed in doing is creating hate against their extremist groups and distrust of the wider Muslim community
Every person has the right to feel abused by others. What they do not have is the right to take action outside of the civil law of the land on grounds of either faith or politics. Every Western media source should now publish cartoons of the false prophet and declare that we, the people, acting in concert proclaim that the right of free speech overrides any right of terrorist activity. As a Christian I now challenge every Christian leader to finally stand up and denounce the violent actions and to declare the 'teaching' upon which they are based as both wrong and abhorrent.
I'm sure they do have some cars. I just meant that a lot of the Police there are on bicycles and if there wasn't a car in the area it could take time to get there and give them time to get away.
may i say that this was a much different type of attack.2 me nwith real weapons walked into a building sought out targets, killed them and armed poilce and got away. actually sounds trained to me. now.... for those of you wonder why they are not caught. its not a movie... there are no cctv thats going to direct cops right to them. its a needle in haystack hunt, not even like boston. it could take a long time to track someone down here.
Have you seen the picture MITO? They're right in front of them with limited options! I can understand the police holding back a bit to avoid being shot, but they should at least know where the people are.
Was it hypnotic-inducing cyborgs made to look like terrorists this time, as opposed to the hypnotic-inducing, image-distorting drones that flew into the Twin Towers on 9/11 that fooled us all into thinking that it was two Boeing airliners? Look Sis, in the past two years my elder sister has been successfully treated for stage three breast cancer at the Linda McCartney Centre by a Muslim (female) doctor. Her daughter, my niece, gave birth to a daughter nine weeks premature last October, delivered by C-section by an Arabic obstro-whatsit. My family spent this Christmas very aware, humbled and happy at that moment of reflection. I work with and am neighbours to several Muslims. I'm sure many on here can parade similar credentials too. Fact remains, this is a dreadful act at the very core of western, liberal, pluralist, secular democracies that those said Muslims chose to live. And, unless it reveals it was a timothy McVeigh like home-grown clutch of fascists (unlikely?) we have the right to condemn those who committed it without having the last fifty years of Middle_east history and contradictory conspiracy theories thrown at us. I mean, are you trying to say they have understandable right to do this, or that they haven't done it in the first place? Like a defence of justifiable homicide coupled to a defence that they weren't even there, just in case.
I would say that "in general" the anti terrorism sections of french authorities would be running pictures through their files etc and would have names and addresses if they are known to them. however.... many many possibilites occur. 1. they are not from france at all. they appeared to be quite professional in what they did suggesting more than just a couple of gobshites brainwashed so they might have arrived on passports to do this. 2. they are smart enough to have an escape plan so they are no going to go back to their own addresses to hide out. in this case if the french have names they still can't just swoop. 3. thye've simply headed out by car and have planned some means out of france however that is. anyway.... the basic premise to my mind is if two guys have assualt rifles then they prob have body armour under the black kit.... we've seen in the us guys with assult rifles firing accurately at cops form 500 yards, cops with pistols are say a sub machine gun even can't compete. they drove off so either they were isntantly tracked by police chopper and cop cars or they were not. nobody is saying they are being chased so i presume it'll be a needle in a haystack unless these guys pop up to do more mayhem. I can't see them ebing that easy to just surround and prob have a shoot out to get.
France has been mulling over a controversial new anti terrorism law. This is right on time. perfect. This is what? That copper was not shot in the head, the round is fired 3 feet from his head and there is a distinct lack of grey matter and blood plus the civilian camera man is a bit of a brave chap who happened to capture this grisly affair. Watch this, don't believe me, this is not what it seems. You CLEARLY see the "terrorist" fire then aim, you see the round striking 3 feet from the cop. Last month, a new anti-terrorism bill went through the French parliament which many fear will change the landscape of the internet in that country as well as threaten all sorts of dissenters with all sorts of unconstitutional measures. The bit in bold, is what it is all about, no toleration of any meangingful dissent of government and it's actions PERIOD. This is 1984 **** folks Orwellian states. Bow you ****ing unwashed masses, kneel before Zod
Tobes take a ****ing break, the video shows a fake execution and you are calling me mad, it's clear that that cop was not shot in the head. Are you blind, watch it again. Mind you, you actually think your opinions on certain issues are not manufactured for you by media and education, you actually believe that. You got no idea lad.
I just showed a fake execution the media are using as evidence and you talk of conspiracy. Look at it ffs, it's there to see, it was a fake execution, it's patently ****ing obvious that the gunman raises his weapon fires a round and lowers the rifle in a quick movement, you can actually see the round strike the pavement 3 feet from the cop FFS like, talk about willful ignorance.
