With our owners you could be big timers

Even though you have got one of the worst board set ups in the league (in my opinion) you still have a really exiting team.

Ben arfa, Ba, the 2 new signings, enruiqe, barton, guttierez.

You have the makings of a really exiting side and seem to always be on the hunt for exiting players. The thing that always seems to put you down is the way that your club is run. As much as I being a safc fan obviously hate you lot, I'm honest and think that with the players you can attract, with our board set up you could be a real force.

What's your opinion of this?

 

Yes, it does seem like some of our best players are looking to exit. Carroll's gone, Nolan's gone... Enrique will soon be off...

 

do you not think we already know this, but our board has already bougth better player than yours

 

Well id say you have signed good players, but you have signed players that are unproven. But yes I'd happily take the signings that you have made. But judging them against our signings is stupid at this stage, you havnt seen your signings actually play yet

 

I think both clubs have potential to be way bigger than they are - especially Newcastle (no offence). We have the whole of the NE with the only real competition being 40-50,000 Boro fans. The rest is basically up for grabs. We've been stupendously raped by the old regime and the new regime managed to completely make it worse (by being the main factor in our relegation), and to counter-act it has gone over the top the other way (by looking only long term and forgetting the short term).

Whereas the recession has seen gates fall at the SOL, added to a series of ****e managers spending £millions and gaining you barely any ground, leaving you with a bit of uncertainty about Short staying or going, etc.

If Sunderland could get a decent manager, and we could get decent owners then we'd both easily be competing together for 7th

 

True, Bruce is the main thing holding Sunderland back at the moment

 

Sir bobby.

Obviously the fact that we are both north east clubs and the more elite players just don't want to be up here. Being in London with our fan bases, would see us both challenging champions league, no doubt about it. Look at tottenham, not as big crowds, but get the players because of the London facter

 

i wouldnt say ba or cabaye are unproven

you have 1 proven player signed in larsson and he has proved to be average.

Gardner on the other hand is twice as good as henderson ever will be and i would snap him up

 

agent bruce

 

Whilst I agree with this I wouldn't of wanted to sign the player.

 

Well I agree with the Larson point, but be honest, have you actually seen cabaye actually play? Apart from YouTube? Because many players seem good on YouTube.

Ba Is a good player but how long until the knee gives way? But on a free, an exellent signing

 

I know that is a factor, but look at how doing well completely regenerated Newcastle in the early 90s. The stadium, the area around, jobs. Have a good run going and you get a multiplier effect. It might not be London, but neither is Liverpool or Manchester. Newcastle is definitely one of a few cities that players are actually happy to live (which benefits you as well).

We may have to pay £5k a week more to secure a player from London but it wouldn't be impossible. Also if either of us can find a niche then the talent available can sky rocket (like us in France, we were allegedly in for Gervinho - why? because of our rep in France)

 

Sir bobby.

You can be after anyone you like, but at the end of the day, gervinho said NO. Now if Newcastle were to be in london, do you think that maybe the answer might have been different. And it's alot different now compared to the 90s, players would go to clubs for footballing reasons, lifestyle and money were second to that

 

Now that's kinda flawed logic, for if the club were in London, it likely wouldn't be as big as it is. Similarly it wasn't Fulham or Tottenham that were in the running for him, but Arsenal...a club that does have international prestige and reputation, not necessarily because it's in London, but because they have a history of success, and a recent history of attracting African footballers from France, and playing attractive attacking football. That said, I do agree with you that players value the money and lifestyle more than the past, but in the Gervinho instance, I definitely think it's a football decision for him (and unbiasedly speaking, I can't blame him)

 

I'd probably agree with that

 

If the clubs were in London, they'd be about the same size as West Ham or Fulham. Because they are 'out-of-the-way' in the NE, it makes them bigger as there is less competition around from other clubs.

That's just the way I see it, but I may be talking rubbish.

 

I'd love to have a chairman like Quinn and probably an investor like Short. Not sure about Short yet though, because Ashley was once very generous with his spending, then when things went tits up he became a tight arse. Short could go down a similar route if he isn't seeing the return on his investment which he expects.

I'd take Pards over Bruce though.

 

Nah, I think you're right with that, it's the sense of community and lack of competition from any other medium-large clubs around that attribute to Newcastle and Sunderland being bigger than the rest of England think they should be

 

I disagree. This will be only our second season back in the top flight and by the end of it our financial plight will be far superior. Although, Short compensates the losses of Sunderland, they are living far beyond their means.

It makes no financial sense for a club to have a 85% turnover to wage ratio. It show's they aren't buying the right players to match their means and due to the strength of the top 4, superior progression is still out of their reach.

We've been there before and do not want it again.

 

we could do with bill gates and carlos slimm as the owners lol