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Off Topic Top 10 English midfielders.

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  1. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ers-does-rank-alongside-Frank-Lampard-Co.html


    1) SIR BOBBY CHARLTON
    World Cup winner extraordinaire and still this country’s leading goalscorer

    2) BRYAN ROBSON
    Captain Marvel for both Manchester United and England.

    3) DUNCAN EDWARDS
    Rated by Charlton as greater than himself and may well have proved him right but for his premature death among other Busby Babes in the Munich air disaster.

    4) PAUL SCHOLES
    The most deft feet to be allied to a computer of a brain in the modern era.

    5) JOHNNY HAYNES
    The sublime passer who invented, with Fulham and England, the diagonal cross-field ball behind the full back and in so doing became this country’s first £100-a-week footballer.

    6) PAUL GASCOIGNE
    The genius of this age, albeit ultimately the self-destructor of his own magical talent.

    7) WILF MANNION
    The Pied Piper of Middlesbrough who would have won many more trophies with his club and played dozen more games for England had he not spent World War 11 fighting for his country.

    8) RAICH CARTER
    The Sunderland ball conjuror who was the darling of the north-east.

    9) FRANK LAMPARD
    The engine, the vision but above all more goals than many of the most renowned strikers have mustered.

    10) STEVEN GERRARD
    Steven Gerrard has been a magnificent leader of Liverpool through good times and hard and has striven mightily for England in the teeth of adversity.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    Not sure on Slippy, Ince was better
     
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    Lampard technically is not good enough. His workmanlike determination has brought him success and he deserves credit for that but he's never been the driving force or heartbeat in any successful team. He's not naturally talented and has had to work hard to get to where he is. Not sure that's enough to be in the top 10.

    Never seen Edwards or a couple of those others so can't comment. Gerrard tbf deserves to be there.
     
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    Where's Tom Cleverley?
     
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    you included charlton but not carrick or spearing you ****ing wum. also wheres giggsy?
     
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    Glen Hoddle?
     
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    Does this question really require an answer?


    Remi Moses should be in. Third or fourth. Legend.
     
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  8. King Shergar

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    I disagree, yes Lampard has had to work for his success but you have to hand it to the guy, the amount of goals he has scored is unbelievable, he's never been a technically great player, but his ability to read a game, and make smart runs to score a lot of goals means he is deserving of a top 10 spot. I'd have him over Gerrard all day long.

    I personally feel Scholes should be higher up than he is. I watched most of Robsons career and whilst he was brilliant for us and a player I admire a lot Scholes was more talented IMO. Charlton and Edwards are hard to judge as they where so long ago:biggrin:
     
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    Avoiding the obvious arguments. Gazza? Brilliant but for a short period of time, he wouldn't get in my top 10.
     
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    Can't really argue against some of the names but in terms of my own lifetime:

    Scholes
    Robson
    Lampard
    Gerrard
    Hoddle
    Gazza
    Le Tissier
    Beardsley
    Ince
    Speed (I know he played for Wales but he's still English in my eyes <laugh>)
     
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    Carrick, Butt and Barry should get a place if Speed does:biggrin:
     
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    Completely forgot about Carrick. I'd stick him ahead of Speed.
     
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  13. bulletinthehead

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    Colin Bell better than most mentioned so far.
     
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    Beardsley wasn't midfield though.


    It pains me to say this, it really does, but I have to agree on Colin Bell.
     
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    Well Colin Bell reckons Yaya Toure was better than him so I think we can put that one to bed <whistle>
     
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    Depends on whether you are talking about the best midfielders or the greatest. Gazza was definitely one of the best, but not the greatest as his career petered out pretty soon. Similar for Edwards - his reported talent and quality put him amongst the top ten, but he didn't have a long enough career to be one of the greatest imo.

    That argument can also be reversed for Lampard and, to an extent, Gerrard as well imo. Lampard has always been quite limited technically when compared to players like Scholes, Gascoigne and Haynes, and lacked the dynamic leadership of Robson and Charlton, but he's made the best of what he has, and undoubtedly deserves to be considered one of the greatest, if not one of the best. Gerrard has much more technical skill than Lampard, and is again one of the greatest in terms of what he has achieved (caps, games, goals, CL, UEFA, FA Cups). But as an outright midfielder he's arguably just sneaking onto the top ten, as in the list in the OP, and could be argued to be a bit behind players like Bell and Moses in terms of quality, albeit having achieved much more.
     
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    I feel had Lampard been playing in the Chelsea sides of the 80's or 90's we wouldnt even be talking about him. I have no love of Gerrard but he would have been a great midfielder and a match winner in any side in any era. It's how I separate and rate the two.
     
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    I didn't know Yaya was English!
     
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  19. UnitedinRed

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    Hes not. He also wouldnt make that list which was the point.

    <ok>
     
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  20. bulletinthehead

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    Of course he wouldn't <ok>:emoticon-0173-middl
     
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