Monk: Lays down the Law on Lazy Shelvey

Here it is: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30620866

Many of us have been commenting on Shelvey's performances this season. Well it seems that we're not the only ones not happy. Monk is now laying the law down. Effectively Shelvey gets with the program or sits.

I'd like to see him kick it into gear and deliver at high level all the time and live up to the hype but I'm not sure he has "that" in him. Be it a lack of maturity, smarts, call it what you will, I am not sure he can raise the intellectual side of his game to be as focused as he needs to be.

So we start the New Tear with a definite and clear challenge to Shelvey .... just as the transfer window is opening.

 

Not sure i agree with comming out with this in public. Yes challenge Shelvey but do it behind closed doors. What would the reaction be on here if this had been done by our last manager. Also why hasn't he said the same for the 7 yellow cards received by Taylor for many reckless challenges or is it one rule for one and one rule for others if you are in GM's boys club. I am all for him getting the players going but not sure that this is the right way to do it, unless he is trying to manufacture a move for him.

 

It looks to me that this this is a final warning. it looks as if he isn't listening so Monk is preparing to ship him out. Tbh we should be able to get 5-15 million for Jonjo. I'd then use that to sign Carroll on a permanent deal and look for a DM.

Nice to see Monk acknowledge what many of us have said on here.
So it's a simple path for Jonjo, listen and do what your told, or bye bye.

 

Monk's inexperience showing. His opinion should never have been aired publicly. You do not berate your players outside of the dressing room,especially to the media,who gleefully enjoy this sort of thing.

 

Keith - I agree with you that Monk should be keeping this "in-house", but as others have hinted, perhaps Monk is effectively putting him in the shop window?

That said, we are about to lose Ki for the next few weeks, so perhaps Monk has reached the (frustrating) conclusion that, having tried everything else to try and make Jonjo "play the game", this outburst may finally get Jonjo to listen? If so, a high risk strategy given we are playing Liverpool tonight and then QPR (Barton and all) on Thursday!

 

I am sorry but Monk has got this badly wrong and should think before he speaks. As has been said if not happy with him tell him but behind closed doors. This should not be going public.

 

I can't imagine than Monk hasn't had a quiet word in his ear prior to this and to be honest it's not worked .Maybe Monk has given up on him as Shelvey isn't exactly cutting it at the moment and this is something which is needed although not tasteful to some could work but only time will tell .As pleasant in public Monk appears to be there is a edge to him which shows he doesn't tolerate a lack of effort or commitment to the cause .Continually being yellow carded for cheap signs of petulance or laziness is frustrating to watch and must be equally so for the team and manager , it also has a bearing on how the game plan is affected with unplanned substitutions because you're fearful of committing a second yellow and with our luck with officials more so.

 

So what about Taylor, can't fault his effort, but he also gives away cheap yellow cards for reckless/careless challenges, He has already been suspended for one game due to number of yellows and since his returned continues to get booked and is now on 7 cards. If it is right for one player then surely Taylor should be included in this.

 

Monk is obviousely sick of telling Shelvey to pick his fekkin feet up.

Lets face it, Shelvey's been uninspiring all season, we've all commented and joked about Shelvey's indiscretions, that he'll be booked or sent off next match, even we can't trust him and its blatantly obviouse that something had to be done isn't it?

We simply can't have a player on the field who we can't be trusted to perform his job and moreover is potentially a liability every game he plays. Even we fans don't trust him. Monk knows he currently can't trust Shelvey to perform, yet also he also knows that, potentially, Shelvey is the best all-round midfielder we hav in the squad, but he isn't responding to his current prescription.

Monk has been in his ear all season but Shelvey is becoming more of a liability as the season goes on. Something drastic has to be done so Monk has decided to change Shelvey's motivation from a quiet word to a boot up the preverbial. Talking to the press is a deliberate decisive action designed to shock Shelvey into poerforming for and with the team as opposed to acting like a maverick who'se careless attitude regularly puts his team mates under pointless pressure.

The touch paper has been lit, time will tell.

 

Taylors primary job is to defend and tackle and he's picked up his cards trying to do this.

Shelvey job is to close down and play ball not petulantly boot it away because he's a little upset with the refs decision.

Breaking it down, Taylors cards have come from his endeavor in doing his job, yet many of Shelveys have come as a direct consequnce of his lazy plodding about midfiled and from petulant reactions, not doing his job.

There's a huge difference between the two buddy and also no Man is the same requiring different motivational ways and means to extract the best.

 

Tom Carroll looks a good player and seems to suit your style more than Shelvey, he would certainly be available.

 

As much as I agree with Monk's comments, like many above I find the public airing of this confusing at best and counter productive if you intend to move him on.

So I'm drawn to one of two conclusions: either the club wants to move Shelvey and Monk's public statement is intended to poison the well because he doesn't want him moved (why would another club want to pay good money for a project); or Monk is at his wit's end and this is the last gasp attempt to motivate ... which still seems to poison the well for a high price transfer.

I found the link from a few days back in the Post (http://www.southwales-eveningpost.c...true-quality/story-25753915-detail/story.html) where Monk is waxing poetic about Shelvey's potential, but beginning to air his frustration. It makes more sense when read with the recent report on the BBC site.

There is always a reason why things happen. What was Rogers' reason for dumping Shelvey shortly after he arrived and recommended him to us. Did he quickly realize that Shelvey had no ability to adjust and absorb new ways of playing and just couldn't be worked into the style Rogers' was looking to bring into 'Pool. In the "Being Liverpool" video there is a scene where Rogers is talking to Shelvey on the practice ground about either being a DM or a two-way CM. It apparently didn't get through. Also, did Rogers see "dumping" him on us as pay back for charging 'Pool so much for Allen and himself. I wonder.

 

maybe he's next

 

Stumpy, one don't Buddy me and talk to like I am a 2 year old and secondly that is utter nonsense Taylors cards have come from flying in when he needs to stand up. He needs to learn how to tackle and when to. I don't see the other defenders with 7 yellows. Taylor is reckless and can be a total liability, but then he is in Monks gang so he is ok. I agree with comments made by Monk towards shelvey but there are others who he should also be concerned with.

 

I think more of this is being made than it is.

Firstly, it seems to be more of an answer to a specific question, rather than a straight up public announcement that Shelvey is categorically lazy. And, when you actually look at his comments, the only facet of the Shelvey's Aston Villa game that Monk said was "lazy" was his tackle that led to a yellow card. It was an unnecessary and, certainly, lazy challenge which, in the end, limited Monk's options regarding substitutions. Montero's injury was unlucky, but Shelvey's yellow meant that he had to be taken off at 60 minutes, which then meant that we had to save the last substitution for the last 10 minutes in case of another injury occurring. Monk's hands became tied regarding his options once Jonjo got himself booked, as we know he's always prone to picking up that second yellow.

Secondly, he states in his answer that he's already spoken to him in private many times about this. So, this is the next phase. He's not suddenly raised this issue in public and Jonjo is learning about this in the papers. Jonjo already knows what Monk thinks, and he's heard it numerous times already. Buck up your ideas, get better or sit on the bench. Furthermore, it takes pressure off Monk if he does bench Shelvey now. The threat is planted in the public domain, so there can be no questions for Monk from the press/media as to why Shelvey isn't playing in the future, England international or not.

Personally? I don't think he's lazy, as such, but just a more offensive minded player. It's partly Monk's fault for continually choosing him out of position. If a player can't defend, don't play him in a role with defensive responsibilities - it's not rocket science. I'll be happy with a Ki, Carroll, Gylfi midfield triangle today, and I think it will help us dominate and win the match. If we bring Jonjo off the bench, the sensible option is for him to replace Gylfi, rather than Carroll.

 

Question: does Shelvey play today?

 

Yankee personally I don't think he should. But some on here are desperate to right him off, somone said sell him and sign Carroll great but do you think Spurs will let him go, I think not. I still think Shelvey has a big part to play at this club, even if not first choice.

 

If playing in CAM, then I'm happy. If he plays CDM, I'm not. Like TLF, I think that Shelvey has a part to play for us, but it's up to Monk to put him in his strongest position. From deep, he looks for the Hollywood balls, concedes possession frequently and is shown to be the poor tackler he is. Playing behind the striker, his Hollywood balls become Hollywood shots (which he's very capable of) and he can waive some challenges by as he knows there are two deep-lying midfielders backing him up.

However, TLF, I'm pretty sure we'll get Tom Carroll if we want him. Spurs are packed to the brim with quality midfielders - Dembele, Stambouli, Eriksen, Mason, Paulinho, Bentaleb... A few million (between 4 and 8) would definitely tempt them to sell.

 

I hope you are right mate but cant see us getting him. They are shifting Paulinho on and it is said they think very highly of Carroll, coupled with Pochitino (sorry for spelling) happy to use his youth as he did at Saints as he is do here with Mason, cant see them ready to let him go yet, before they have seen him play in their set up.

 

Sell him if he doesn't listen to Monk and bring Joe back then