Just a title, did the same thing basically. Think PJ may have missed the hundreds of times I've said the blame is firmly at Brod's feet too
Cannot compare Rodgers to Klopp. Yes Klopp is having a poor season but the man has won league titles and consistently qualified for CL. Klopp is still leagues ahead of Rodgers. And blindly supporting the manager is just as bad. Blind faith is why we have achieved years of mediocrity because we're afraid to make the decision quick enough.
Sorry, but that's absolute ****e mate. Gill was the CEO, he ran the business, he didn't choose the players to be bought or have any input into the footballing side of the business at all. HIs contribution was negotiating the deals, quietly, efficiently and privately.
Our committee doesn't choose the players, Brod does! PJ used Shakly, Fergie and Busby as examples. If he'd not included Fergie I'd have agreed as the other two were from yesteryear and work alone managing the whole club. Fergie had help from Gill. Do you think Fergie gave him one name and left him to it or provided a list of preferences? Its not exactly the same as a DoF (depending on what you think they do) but its not that dissimilar!
Your committee have an input though, they'll bring players to the table and have an input on value. A DoF / technical director takes full responsibility for that function and the manager becomes a first team coach, this isn't what Gill was to United...........
I edited You just claimed full responsibility which is why I put 'depending on what you think they do'. For example, David Comolli was a DoF for us but he didn't have sole responsibility. He was basically a head of the scouting network. He provided a list of players with analysis to Dalglish he picked who he wanted / preferred etc. Much like with Brod and the committee, Kenny had the last word and therefore sole responsibility.
You're confused as to how it works and how it's always worked. You think that Shankly negotiated all the deals on his own and had no input from his Chairman? Gill played exactly the same role for Ferguson, Ferguson gave him his targets, Gill delivered them, same as it's always been. Cue some clever **** posting some snippet of a car park tap up from the 60's Yes I ****ing know.........
All managers have had some help over the years but the game as changed too meaning managers rarely take sole responsibility nowadays, that was my point. As I said, it depends on what you think a DoF does. If its the Spurs model then the DoF is the main guy for buying players. If its the Liverpool model then they aren't. DoF has many varitations. claiming Fergie had no help was ridiculous!
Fergie had the best resources at hand. He had the best coaches to develop players, he had David Gill who has a lot of influence in high places. Fergie was a great manager because he brought all of these different pieces together.
Help? No, United had a man who's job it was to purchase the players he selected, same as it's always been
So Gill didn't help Fergie in anyway shape or form? Yeah, good one This is a Tobes will argue green is purple situations so I'm leaving it there
Yep, proven winners sit in the bottom 3 of the Bundes after 16 games. You're only as good as your last season, and Dortmund looked great while they had those players, bit like us, they lost good players to Bayern, especially Lewandowski. We lost some players, including Suarez, and Studge more or less. Rodgers is doing better in a tougher league, those are the fackts
He did his f**ing job His job being the CEO, you were attempting to say that his role was somehow akin to a DoF or technical director and that him being there was somehow different to how the like of Shankly managed. When the reality is that back in the day the Chairman did the deals in exactly the same way Gill did at United in the modern era. In short, you were talking utter s**te
Dortmund have been crippled by injuries this season. Granted we've lost Studge but that's about it as far as important players are concerned. Rodgers is ****ing incompetent. Klopp knows his best available team and plays it. Rodgers picks his favourites and leaves in form or better/developing players out because of his love for big earners and his mates.
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Source? Is it based on last season's league position? Just wondering where LVG is considering the Dutch performance in the world cup...
