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Swansea City v Tottenham Hotspur Match History 19285-2015

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by THFC6061, Dec 12, 2014.

  1. PGFWhite

    PGFWhite Well-Known Member

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    Swantastic - I want to see your percentageometer <laugh>
     
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  2. swantastic

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    Lamela straight red for that elbow. Vertonghen two footed tacke red card. Should've gotten at least a point from that game. ON another day bony would probably have scored more than one but his movement first half especially was just perfect. What an amazing player. Need more technique at the back. I still don't know why has been dropped totally unfair it would seem. Bad play by Jazz was it?? For their second. Leave bony on for 90 minutes, Rangel/Jazz sub in hindsight bad, but I didn't think Rangel was doing too bad. They didn't have any pace or much play down that side??
     
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  4. MasterOfNone

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    Personally I don't think the Rangel/Jazz sub was that bad especially as we're going to have a congested xmas period so Jazz needs to be up to speed. The first goal was sloppy. The second was just one mistake. He had plenty of time to compose himself and hoof it but failed. We could and probably should have had a few more goals ourselves well before that.

    I thought spurs were poor but you could see that Stombouli and Dembele changes gave them more steel down the middle and they got back into the game. C'est la vie
     
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  5. Yankee_Jack

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    A couple of observations on the goals:

    Goal #1: in two games now Rangel has offered no challenge to a cross / corner to the person that ultimately headed the goal. For Carroll against West Ham he might be "forgiven" since it's Carroll (which I don't think makes any difference frankly). Against Spurs it was Kane - who cannot be confused with Carroll. In both cases both of Rangel's feet remained rooted to the ground. Now he either has no bottle or no clue! Pick your poison, but at corners if this is going to be Rangel's best effort we need to stick him on the post and have somebody else do his job for him. Even little Leon would have offered more of a challenge - at least he would have got off the ground.

    Goal #2: this is yet another situation where a player apparently makes a mistake in a non-dangerous position but the ball then moves on and a goal results - despite plenty of Swans players being in the way but being totally ineffective. I would ask you all to take a look at Shelvey's posture and position before and during the shot that scored. While within easy distance of making a challenge - he stood and watched. I know the usual group will dump on the player that lost possession but people that s**t happens, and when it's not in a dangerous position and there are team mates goal side of the ball in good positions then goals should not result.
     
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  6. ValleyGraduate12

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    Cheers for that Yid. That's why I thought he should have been off then. I'd already thought he'd been booked.
     
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  7. jonasbrothers

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    There was Not enough time for Shelvey to get close enough to win the ball, but yeah he really should press him there to give him even less time.
     
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  8. neveroffsidereff

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    Don't think you can have a go at Shelvey, he wouldn't have got near him shoot would have been away before he got to him.

    My main problem is why Tremmel didnt communicate with Jazz to leave the ball, then why didn't Jazz just put the ball in the stands for a throw in. So two errors fromTermmel and Jazz. Clear the ball but not back into the field of play, that's a schoolboy error.
     
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  9. Yankee_Jack

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    I don't think it's visible on the video but did Gomis show at all for a clearance. Bartley delayed and then Jazz. Bony would have been the obvious target.
     
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  10. neveroffsidereff

    neveroffsidereff Well-Known Member

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    Not sure Yankee on Gomis. The clearance was week, only went about 25 yards. My problem with is was that he should have taken the easy route and put in row Z. The throw in would have been better to concede. Anyway thats what if's etc, just hope we learn from our mistake and don't do that again. Onwards and Upwards.
     
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  11. DragonPhilljack

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    A game to forget I think!...........................<doh>
     
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    Whilst looking good going forward,albeit missing many chances to score,our achilles heel is in defence,where we are in disarray when teams counter attack us,ditto for set pieces.
    Our zonal marking is not working,and as a defender of many years experience,Monk should be well capable of sorting it out,but he's not. Why was our poorest defender in the air,Rangel,marking Kane and Carroll in the last two matches,when both players are renowned for their aerial prowess.
    For Spurs second goal,okay it was Jazz's original mistake in not hoofing the ball out,but then Shelvey just stood and watched as Eriksen cut inside and fired through the legs of the static Bartley and Williams.
     
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  13. Yankee_Jack

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    Exactly ... all of the above. BTW, on defending set pieces, I think we are trying to do man-for-man, which gives rise to the chaos and bumping and banging that goes on in our box. Sousa implemented zonal in all situations ... didn't he.
     
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    Carroll was not being marked by Rangel - Carroll peeled off his marker (which varied between Williams and Bartley throughout the match) and attacked the ball, it just so happened that Rangel was standing underneath it, which you must credit the crosser (Jenkinson) for - as by putting the ball on Rangel's head, it gave Carroll every opportunity to attack and win a header if he could lose his marker.

    However, Kane definitely was marked by Rangel. You could visibly see him picking him up. I have to say, I love Rangel, but his defending for Kane's goal was shocking. He didn't get off the ground and didn't shield the ball. He basically ran under the ball, stopped, and let Kane have a free running jump for it. Terrible stuff.
     
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    game was a certain draw until richards for the second game in a row lost his bottle and panicked and gave the ball away. He is not up to premiership standard and never have been and we need to recruit far better in January. In fact there are 4 or 5 positions we need to upgrade , We should be at least 10 points better off if we never had sub standard players....
     
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  16. DragonPhilljack

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    Bit harsh that Dai! Jazz is still learning and so is Monk, Shame he brought Jazz on the way he did, takes a while to get into the game, and it took our team the whole of the first half to do so on Sunday, so are they all sub standard? Jazz should be developed in the not so high profile games, Burnley, Hull, Leicester, QPR etc, that's all that needs to happen, then Jazz will grow in confidence, nothing sub standard at all, just common sense!...............<ok>
     
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  17. Yankee_Jack

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    Would help if we didn't have a sub-standard manager .... who was by the way the ultimate sub-standard player .... by the current squad's standards.

    A few weeks ago you were shining your "light of truth and football wisdom" against Bony for a similar bad pass 70 yards from goal. Now its Jazz! When possession is lost in a non-dangerous, non-threatening position, with plenty of your own team goal side, and they do nothing to prevent the movement of ball towards the goal and then into the goal, then you might has well blame the boot boy for not polishing the boots properly before the game.
     
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  18. jonasbrothers

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    At fault for that goal was Jazz. No one else, only Jazz. Horrendous play.. Ben davies intercepts the ball picks out Eriksen who's found the best available position and then you're in **** when he gets the ball there.
     
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  19. ValleyGraduate12

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    Sub standard manager?
     
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  20. Yankee_Jack

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    Couldn't resist - just following Dai's logic ... <whistle>
     
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