I think we'll have to cut our losses, a great player but clearly something just hasn't (and I don't think will) clicked for him. His movement is great and he finds perfect space but his finishing just isn't there. I think he's 30 soon and while we won't get anywhere near what we paid, I think it's for the best we try and find a buyer. I voted sell if price is right, which for me would be around £10m, £15m if we're lucky.
Only if our club is led by people who don't understand accounts! If we had sold him even for a zero fee the total loss would have been less.
I don't get what you mean. Clearly, if the cost of buying is amortised over the length of contract, the end book cost is nothing. The loss having been amortised over the term of the contract. A loss is a loss. Yes, it could have been taken in one particularly good financial year, to offset, if that's what the club had decided. But, it seems the decision was to let his contract run down
What I mean is that since we have only one important shareholder, ENIC, there is no reason at all why anyone would want to push the loss into any particular year. If Bentley had been sold before his contract ended the total loss would have been smaller by avoiding part of his wages at least. So if he was never going to play (and therefore had zero value to us) the only good reason for keeping him is that no-one wanted him even at zero cost and fully subsidised wages. Alternatively someone in the club felt he was worth more to us than any offer we got. The decision should always be based on footballing or at least perceived value issues not accounting ones.
after reading the interview with him since his retirement it may well have been that Bentley just wasn't interested in continuing so he was just going through the motions and picking up a pay cheque (who wouldn't?) as long as he could
I doubt that was worth us keeping him on the books for £2.5mill a year(or whatever he was on). I know clubs signing him on loan may have paid some but he spent a long time not on loan.
I disagree. It's normal practice for corporations, such as ENIC to take an unavoidable hit as a one off loss, or to amortise that loss over a set period.
I would have thought that if the club wanted rid of him permanently, they could have made life a lot more difficult for him. Alternatively, they could have made a reduced cash offer to pay up his contract
Sorry yeah, I went away to do something after I'd quoted your point and forgot to add that I thought the depreciation had a hand in why Levy was so keen to get money back on him. In hindsight I think he'd have rathered get him gone on much cheaper and take a hit on the accounts for one year.
I suspect that what happened in practice was that we had an inflated view of his value all the time. Even once Comolli had gone it would be very hard for Redknapp to say that he should be sold for say £5m after only a year.
We are unlikely to get a really good striker in January unless someone has a big falling out with his present club. Every club is looking for 20+ goals a season strikers but as we have seen, scoring for one club is no guarantee that they will do it at their next club particularly if they play different styles of football. For every Sergio Aguero there are 20 Sergei Rebrovs. We struck lucky with Berbatov but not with Postiga and several others. I think Soldado can still be successful for us but it will only be when the rest of the team begin to play as cohesive unit for more than one half, so I think we should persevere with him. At least he tries unlike ........... (add whatever name you think appropriate)
My patience recently ran out with Soldado because i simply can't see how or when he is going to improve. He was given several excellent chance to score on Thursday and should have put them away, yet still seems to find a way to shoot off target, hit the keeper direct or scuff the ball. His timing is all over the place. He can't even hit the target form outside the box either. How much longer than 18 months does he need to start finding his shooting boots!? His work-rate can only get him so far with the fans and I think we need to seriously hunt around the leagues for a loan or someone who can give us another option for the rest of the season as Kane and Sold-a-dud is way too thin on options with Ade in Togo who's unlikely to ever find his best either. At this rate, I'd take Pav back... seriously I would! We're so desperate for a short term solution, I'd even go for the likes of Pavel Pogrebnyak at Reading or Hugo Rodallega at Fulham.
If either Soldado or Kane gets injured, we're down to using youth players. Surely a striker must be an urgent priority ( it has been for ages as far as I'm concerned ) You can say what you like about Soldado and his effort, team contribution, etc. He was bought to stick the ball in the back of the net. He's singularly failed to do that. End of....
sack the scouts and anyone who made the recommendation....a lot more than 'he scores goals' should go into buying a player up front. the league hes come from the style his team plays in the pace of the game etc etc if you want soldado to produce like he was doing in Spain then you have to compliment him in the same manner his former team did. Diego Costa came from one strong team who plays to his strengths into another team willing to do that and snap..it worked. This deal as with so many others smells of THFC turd! who is running this damn club this way needs to be hung to dry! Lamela..came from a slow league with players not so physical in their approach but more so technical to a league of hustlers and bustlers. So now he struggles because he cant hussle nor bustle..just does that pathetic poster pose every time he gets the ball before its whipped off him..oh yeah scores the odd classy goal in the Europa league where the teams are a good few levels below the PL. Chirices....we don't know what to do with him..but Inter Milan want him...hes a technical player.....made to look rubbish because his technical abilities are squeezed by the physical nature of the PL. will look class in Italy. Chadli comes from the dutch league which is probably the nearest league to the PL in terms of physical importance of a teams play. Hes done well for me..all his goals have been vital...not the 4th in a 4-0 win etc. sack the scouts..bang some heads together because I can see most of these 'flops' leaving and putting us to shame by performing like they should be if they move. All will be revealed in subsequent interviews by these players explaining how things stunk at Spurs. This is not MP's team..like it or lump it..not his fault he cant work with these players...he has a system which worked with Southampton...due to him being able to work with a lot of hungry players..our problem is we have a set of Panini stickers for players....look good..nice hair....but its all on paper. stick with MP..let him build his own team....to me his teams don't have much time for show boating. I think these are good players...just at a crap infrastructure of a club.
This comment most closely resembles my own view. IF we could find another striker then replace Soldado if we can't then we have to stick with what we have. He does after all provide some decent passes he is not JUST a striker. Two camps here I think, those who blame the players for the lack of performance and those who blame the management. I am in the second camp, simply because I have seen glimpses of what this squad could do if properly selected, balanced and motivated. I am not going to judge these players until I see them perform in a proper team. Paulinho for example is not a poor player by any stretch, I just don't believe we have used him in a balanced team. Lamella as PowerSpurs has said could become a top player. Remember the cries to get rid of Bale as he was a liability or Modric was too small, Berbatov was too lazy and VDV was past it? All these calls have been written on here so it's par for the course for these kind of criticisms to be voiced. So IMO we have a good squad but we really need to see them motivated and balanced into a team. I have no tolerance with football computer gamers who think players should be forced into a system to suit the managers philosophy of how football should be played. We need a manager who can set up a team that uses the strengths of our squad, if you can't do that with the quality of player that we have at Spurs then you have no business being in football management IMO.
true......but sometimes square pegs just refuse to go into round holes..so MP has to get the players he thinks will do what is expected. How many foolish managers think they can change Balotelli? with BR being the latest fool until another idiot puts a bid in for him. Player mentality is massively important too.
It's because we are in the age of the manager cult. An age that forgets that a manager is an enabler, once they start to believe they have some formula for football success then we are in trouble. You need to look at the squad you have and make it work; identify weaknesses and strengths and try to adjust that with new players if you can but you have accept what you have is the basis and work with it. Managers who try to impose their playing methods on players just PREVENT teams from playing to THEIR potential.
I totally understand your logic and agree with it......I suppose its a better the devil you know syndrome......how would it work for us? 442? wingers crossing relentlessly for Soldado to work the box? its the only way I can see Soldado and Lamela having a use...451 at a stretch...I think Soldado will not work unless we have two line hugging wingers...keep him busy up top so he isn't 60 yards away from the opponents goal trying to link up play.
I wonder how much MP understands attacking play, bearing in mind he was a central defender. I remember Keegan at NUFC and England he did not have a clue (as a striker) about defence and to his credit he employed someone who did (Lawro I think). Does MP have an attack adviser on his staff? You do wonder if he appreciates wing play.
