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Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by 1950canary, Nov 27, 2014.

  1. Cruyff's Turn

    Cruyff's Turn Well-Known Member

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    That is what it's like. Most people watch HIGNFY, 8 out of 10 cats,etc and marvel at the witty come backs. What they don't realise is that a writing team has worked for hours on those apparently off the cuff responses. I was talking to a chap who went to a dinner where Jeremy Clarkson was the speaker. He was expecting sparkling witticisms, he said JC was as dull a ditchwater.
     
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  2. Tony_Munky_Canary

    Tony_Munky_Canary Well-Known Member

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    And you think UKIP are "fit to govern"????? <yikes>
     
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  3. General Melchett

    General Melchett Well-Known Member

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    None of them are fit to govern, but the Tories may well be the least unfit, but they don't half need a kick up the arse!

    Bah!
     
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  4. Cruyff's Turn

    Cruyff's Turn Well-Known Member

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    The Tories rely upon being able to keep the lid on things. In the past they have paid the police well to keep them onside. This is changing though as the police suffer from the cuts too. I am pretty certain that if we have another Tory government there will be serious unrest on a much larger scale than the 2010 riots. This will be a consequence of the growing gap in wealth between the bottom and the rest,

    As for the economy I can give you a good example of what is happening in the Motor Trade. I ran a garage for 35 years.We used to buy older trade in cars from local main dealers. The sort of thing that sells under two grand and is generally used by the kind of people on low wages to get to work.

    A couple of years back we stopped getting them. Dealers started to send them to auction because they could get a good price even for stuff with expensive faults.A car comes in with an airbag light on,the dealer gives the owner a low price,disconnects the light or takes the bulb out and sends it to auction.The fix can cost £500 for an ECU.

    The auctions had become full of people who are selling cars out of lay bys. We used to buy them and fix any faults and sell on with a new MOT and three months warranty. This week I met a chap who had just found work after a year on the dole. It's a crap job and he has a fifty mile round trip. He bought a car out of a lay by for £650. The first day it boiled up half way to work. The Lithuanian he bought it off was unsympathetic.

    In the old days we would have bought the car and fixed the problem and sold it at probably £995. It would have got him to work and back for a year. I don't blame the seller he is under as much pressure as everyone else to earn a living. He most likely paid £500 for something that we used to buy for half that sum. The dealer who sold it is probably no better off by the time he has paid transport costs and commission. I am just glad that I sold up when I did.
     
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  5. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    Hmm - caveat emptor is as much the problem there as the government, but you make a good point. In desperate times, the desperate get ****ed
     
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  6. Tony_Munky_Canary

    Tony_Munky_Canary Well-Known Member

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    Don't recall him squirming, I do recall him getting the biggest round of applause I've ever seen on QT, and I watch it every week. Favourite moment was when he called Farage a "Poundland Enoch Powell", that was classic.

    Reading the texts during the show just further emphasised what a bunch of idiot sheep we have become as a nation. About a quarter of the texts were people saying "I refuse to have Russell Brand on my tv so I'm turning off", "I can't stand listening to anything Brand says", "why have the BBC put this talentless waste of space on the panel, I won't be watching" or other such completely ignorant, Daily Mail/Sun driven rants.

    Basically they are saying I've not listened to anything he has to to say, but I totally disagree with it anyway because in the Daily Mail it said he's the most evil man on the planet because he made a massive error of judgement about six years ago while hosting a radio show that offended an old man (though nobody died as far as I'm aware). Oh, and also because those people are jealous of his success and the lavish lifestyle he has EARNED himself.

    Honestly, I do despair at the complete apathy and sheer ignorance of so many so called "intelligent" people who walk amongst us these days. It is quite staggering the crap a lot of people believe and swallow as fact. Wake up people and make your own minds up rather than being spoon fed by agenda driven media!!!!
     
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  7. Cruyff's Turn

    Cruyff's Turn Well-Known Member

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    I used to think that about Russell Brand. Then I watched one of his shows and the guy was fall off the settee funny.Unlike that half wit McIntyre who does nothing but walk up and down the stage spouting inanities into a head mic.I bet the Mail readers love him though.

    In truth UKIP is a one man band with no real policies and no hope of even denting the FPTP system.
     
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  8. wellyblue

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    'Get Him to the Greek' is as funny as ****, recommended if you haven't seen it.<ok>
     
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  9. carrabuh

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    I thought Brand was found out, with all his main comments being predetermined, planned and out of context with the questions asked.

    All the "mate" business just made me cringe.
     
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  10. canary-dave

    canary-dave Well-Known Member

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    With you 100% on that carrabuh, I'm not a fan of his but I did listen to his pre-scripted rants. Anyone who thinks his "Poundland Enoch Powell" comment was all his own work is totally deluded!
     
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  11. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    I notice that Red Ed has now belatedly come round to at last acknowledging that he would have to make cuts in spending too! After 4 years of opposing every one of the 'savage' cuts that the coalition has made, I just wonder what things he will cut in Government and by how much? He says that he wants to bring the deficit down year on year but he hasn't mentioned by how much or what would be cut!

    Oh and while we are at it he also said that day to day Government spending will be cut but he would still borrow for capital infrastructure projects! According to the IFS this means an extra £50 Billion in borrowing up to 2020! <yikes> So much for wanting to be responsible with the nations finances!
     
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  12. Tony_Munky_Canary

    Tony_Munky_Canary Well-Known Member

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    Really?? Why do you say that? Ok, he may have had it prepared ready to use and it may not have been 'off the cuff', but why on earth would you think somebody else wrote it for him??

    He's a comedian who writes regular articles and blogs and has had (at least) three books of his own published that he wrote himself - why on earth would be need a script-writer to help him with that one line? Sounds like a lazy, ill informed comeback if you ask me Dave.

    I'm sorry, but the deluded folk are the ones who swallow crap peddled by the media campaigns that try to tell us he's nothing but a vacuous loud mouthed yob, because he's far more than that. He's taking on the lies and corruption that are rife in our establishment head on, and from where I'm sitting the establishment are bricking it.
     
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  13. carrabuh

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    I'm sure they are quaking in there boots after that performance. I'm sorry Munky, you are deluding yourself if you think he has credibility outside his fanbase.

    He reminded me of some idiotic preacher with a "trust me brother,come with me, join me" mentality with barely any reason to do so at all.

    All the pained looks, clenched fist (totally unaware of the camera of course). He really went down in my estimations because I generally like him.
     
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  14. canary-dave

    canary-dave Well-Known Member

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    Munky, you are of course entitled to your opinions but if you could not see the way he by-passed every direct questioned and his lame come-back at why he won't stand for parliament then I'm very surprised! Up till now I have held your postings in highest regard, but I'm afraid you've let me down on this one!

    btw, did you actually enjoy "My little bookie-wookie" or whatever the hell it was called? Absolute puerile trash!
     
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  15. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    You're right he got a massive applause and I'm with you on the "Poundland Enoch Powell" (whether it was his own work/scripted or not) - rewound the TV to hear that again <laugh>

    However, by the end he had been completely silenced - he had clearly scripted quite a few of his responses (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, they all had, but he was unable to veer off script) and when he was asked "why don't you stand for Parliament?" his feeble response "I might become one of them" basically finished him. By the end he looked thoroughly defeated. He really came across as though he hadn't thought through anything other than soundbites - it's easy to come up with a big demagogic statement if it's not challenged (e.g. twitter or posting a video on youtube) but when he actually had to discuss his ideas off the cuff he fell short. His "mate", as carrabuh said, completely jarred with the situation - he was caught out by the man with a stick completely.

    I do think Brand can be very funny at times (as welly says Get Him to the Greek is brilliant), but I have absolutely no time for his "young people shouldn't vote" mantra - which seems to me to be stoking the very apathy that you are talking about. I don't think he really is taking on the establishment and I'm not really sure they're bricking it about him - he seems to be just spouting a few soundbites, all of which sound great but when push comes to shove he won't do anything about it, he'd rather fall back on "I'm a comedian". I'm also not convinced that there is a media campaign against him at all. Some parts of the press, definitely, but plenty of others are giving him the time of day. I think Farage has a much harder time with the press (albeit that I'm with the press on that one).

    I thought the Labour MP for Wakefield (Mary Creagh?) came across very well, the Tory MP knew the party line but wasn't able to articulate why her party had chosen a specific policy. Farage came off quite lightly, mostly because I thought they dealt with him fairly well. It's the right attitude - allow him to speak, and then ignore him or point out the fundamental contradictions. He was virtually forgettable last night.

    Blue hair woman stole the show for me though! <laugh>
     
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  16. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    I'm amazed that Brand got off with calling the 2 female MP's "Love"!

    If it had been any one else they would have been lynched! <ok>
     
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  17. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    To be fair he got absolutely laid into for talking over them.
     
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  18. johnnywarksmoustache

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    I'm sure he did!
     
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  19. ncgandy

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    Russell Brand talking over people? Who'd have thought!

    Don't need help from the media to help me make up my own mind about this guy!
     
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  20. canary-dave

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    Well said sir! <ok>
     
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