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The Friday night debate: UFO's

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  1. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    With the likelihood that there are an infinite number of stars and planets and further, the possibility of other universes and yet to be defined dimensions in our universe, could we then, logically entertain the possibility that we are being watched or been been visited?

    UFO hysteria has died down here in the uk, yet in USA nye on 50% believe in UFO's, however, for me it opens up a host of interesting questions and potential issues.



    Where do you stand on UFO's? have we been discovered, visited or investigated?
     
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  2. Brian Storm

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    There's life out there but they haven't been here, what makes them more likely to reach the other end of the universe than us? Space is too vast imo for anything to have visited.
     
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  3. FTM Dave

    FTM Dave Well-Known Member

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    Looking at the science of the thing - Bri's right on both points.
     
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  4. Commachio

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    Up Uranus.
     
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  5. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    According to our current understanding in a 4 dimensional universe you mean?
     
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  6. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    [video=youtube;FCARADb9asE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE[/video]
     
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  7. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but that's all we've got to go on other than theories. I may be wrong, I'm no expert, but I thought a fifth dimension works on vibrational frequencies and can not apply to physical mass.
     
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  8. MrRAWhite

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    I would say that I'm pretty certain that there are billions of other life forms that exist. However, whether any are so far advanced that they have developed the technology to watch over us or even visit us is another matter..
     
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  9. TankMarvin

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    They may have had several billions of years headstart.
     
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  10. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    i believe

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  11. Shameless

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    There are many theories and all we have in Science is theory.

    Until we can fathom the whole structure of a single atom that's all we'll ever have. We live in a place that has magnetism, gravity, mass, particulate waves such as; sound, heat, radio-activity etc, as for distance or space etc ...well all Science can do is tell us the value of all of the above at sea-level, at something we call 1,000 millibars.

    Beyond that nothing is constant*, it wasn't that long ago that people thought they could make gold and atoms looked like mini-solar systems. Whether we define the universe 'space' in terms of distance or time, those current obstacles to exploration could conceivably be overcome.

    Given our current technology, we could 'invisibly' observe a tribe in the Amazon, in a place like earth 1,000 years ago we could land a manned craft almost anywhere and vanish without a trace.





    * even at sea-level/1,000Mb some things remain inconstant and a great deal remains unexplained.
     
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  12. password invalid

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    space station is once again is visible over head, brilliant viewing on a clear night
     
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  13. Brian Storm

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    Learning more about the Atom thanks to that Hadron Collider. What a marvelous device it is. Breakthrough after breakthrough. You been following it(not literally round and round)?
     
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  14. gelders pie

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    We assume that if we get visited it will be by a race thousands/millions of years in advance of us. These timescales are miniscule in terms of universe time, so maybe we are actually the most advanced at this stage and maybe in countless years in the future (if we don't destroy ourselves) it will be us who visit a race who will have reach the stage we are now. Or maybe we are the aliens, the earth just being some where that someone from elsewhere colonised?
     
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  15. Shameless

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    Statistically, it is infinitely unlikely that we are the most advanced life form.

    It is infinitely more likely that we don't physically exist at all and we are merely autonomous objects inside the software of a computer programme, just saying like <ok>
     
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  16. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    I have a theory that earth is in fact hell, where else would you spend almost you're entire existence, working and fighting living amongst rapists, peado's, murderers etc

    I reckon aliens visit us to drop the bad folk off

    [video=youtube_share;AEcVeNnBtag]http://youtu.be/AEcVeNnBtag[/video]
     
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  17. Shameless

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    So how come fredor still can't get laid?
     
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  18. Sidthemackem

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    Chances of intelligent life starting on earth are smaller than 1 divided by the number of atoms in the observable universe.

    Go figure...
     
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  19. Shameless

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    That's Creationist myth and propaganda I'm afraid, whist it may well be jolly unlikely (10 to the power of a lot more fcuking atoms than there are in the Universe ...blah, blah and yes, I can figure ...that randomly assembled atoms would result in an event forming life, the Maths may well be right. The flaws in this logic are fun to dismantle, just because the probabilities are very small does not logically defer the event to a god or Creator - this is the Creationist argument Sid, which may not necessarily be your personal beliefs. Secondly. Whilst it is still a very small number, it is calculable (10 pow -40 for the most basic amino) and therefore possible. Third, the Creationist definition of a finite universe which also contains 10 pow 40 atoms is not supported.

    Given an infinite universe then a discrete number is infinitely probable.

    Then if you include the inevitable Mathematics of Abiogenesis, ie: simple peptides that could self replicate and would have evolved in accordance and for the same reasons that Evolutionary Theory would suggest. They could do this, because it was wet, and the was light, heat and volcanic energy. It may have taken many trials to create a sustainable bioptide, a peptide is still not really definable as 'life', given the rich churning oceanic mix was rich in amino acids then the odds fall quite dramatically.
     
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  20. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    created a speed faster than light havnt they? einsteins theory gone
     
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