Not at my company, everyone is treated equally. Race, religion or colour doesn't come into it at all. If you can do the job and do it well I don't care where you are from. I go to a lot of food production sites and they tend to be good workers. I would turn that question around and say, is it because maybe the native workers think they should start at management level and salary without working their way up. In my experience, yes.
I've never worked anywhere where that has been the case. Are you sure it is not because the starting wages are so pitifully low to begin with?
Then you must have worked for some crap companies. Nope, decent starting wage, company car, mobile phone etc..... Are you suggesting that I would pay someone less because they are from a different country? Starting wage is £18k and rises to £27k after 2 years assuming all training is completed and performance is at a good level. This doesn't include overtime either and there is also a bonus structure. I think it's pretty good really, 3 months sick pay a year and 25 days holiday. Standard stuff really.
I think you missed the point, I've never worked somewhere where people expected management wages when starting out. Why do you need a company car and a mobile phone to produce food? I'm perhaps thrown by the nature of your business.
Oh sorry, Missed your point there. My business is going to food production sites and calibrating, servicing and repairing industrial weighing equipment such as weigh bridges and food grade weighing systems. As well as pharmaceutical companies and many others. The engineers are mobile so need car and phone etc... As well as tools. It's quite a specialised job. My point is that I wouldn't even think about where someone is from when employing them, but I would say I am liberal and have an open mind towards people. I have zero preconceptions, I just speak from experience of what I have seen first hand. For instance one of the guys I employed (English) had a criminal record for drink driving and a few other bits in his younger days. Gave him a chance and he is a brilliant engineer. Everyone makes mistakes in life and I would hate to let where someone comes from cloud my judgement. The only exception is Ipswich supporters, they would be made to clean the toilets with their tongues, work for free and be forced to wear a dunces outfit for work everyday.
I wasn't implying you treat them differently, I was implying you paid terrible wages. When you said food production I assumed the worst, as I'm sure you'll agree, it doesn't have the best reputation for treating workers well and providing good conditions.
You are right to a degree but all the foreign workers want is a chance to better themselves. They are not afraid to work hard for it and some of our native workers could learn a lesson from them. One Polish guy I know started off on a packing line making ready meal curries 5 years ago. He is now site manager and earning £50k+ per annum. You do have to start at the bottom most of the time in that kind of work.
That is the trouble, many intelligent foreigners having to start low because they are foreign. I don't agree with that. Foreign students should really be promoted in this country and not seen as something bad. Attracting the best brains from over the World to learn here and some want to put a stop to it, ****ing morons.
Perfect example of that here: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/86b43890-5671-11e2-aaaa-00144feab49a.html#axzz3KmT7lf3j
Totally agree, You have to look at the person, not the fact they speak a different language. This is why I hate reading some rather disappointing comments about immigration and I don't agree with it at all. But that's life. My eyes are wide open and I am willing to take people on for who they are and not where they are from. Immigration is an easy target for political parties because it attracts the voters who don't really know all the facts and are easily swayed by a headline. See how they feel when we deport those workers and the price of food doubles. Also, immigrants put in far more than they take out.
It is mind boggling the amount of people who believe the media, even the middle classes are just so wrapped up in blaming others. I'm sure the vast majority don't even have a reason to hate them. And the ones that do, don't get heard.
Not to mention that the fees that overseas students pay to universities goes a long way towards keeping our higher education institutions going. Both the quality of student and quality of course would suffer greatly if it became more difficult for overseas students to study here. I would imagine there's a certain amount of xenophobia, but are intelligent foreigners more strongly motivated to take a lower paying job and look to progress (start low), rather than to only apply for jobs that they feel are at the level they want?
A good discussion but you are all missing the point! We elect politicians to Westminster to make the laws of the land and to set the policies that govern this country. Westminster should be our sovereign parliament and retain the power to decide immigration policy amongst other things should be for our national parliament to decide based on our needs. We have seen over the last 10 years a huge influx of net migration mainly from the EU and the fact is that our infrastructure just can not cope with the sheer numbers of people who are coming in. We should decide his many people can come here and who comes here, and not have this decided by an act of treaty which has turned out to be the biggest betrayal ever committed. My wife runs the healthcare for a number of immigration centres in the South of England and believe me some of these guys that are detained are seriously bad bastards and deserve to be kicked out.
London, has a lot more investment and opportunity though Tony. I've also heard that due to mass gentrification that lots of indigenous Londoners are being forced out of the city, ending up in the arse end of boroughs like Havering and Bromley or towns like Luton, bit of a strange scenario when there are mansions in West London owned by foreign property tycoon's which are lived in a couple of months a year.
If you can't read the signs or labels at a Polski sklep go to Tesco express simple. These are usually specialist stores and do great cold cuts. Sokolov is awesome for thin pork slices.
A multi cultural city like London is fantastic but how many arseholes in middle management offering minimum wage positions to overseas staff pull the "English people are too lazy" line when they know full well their bonus is reliant on shaving the wage bill by a few hundred grand a year ? . So they employ people that will do as they're told not pose a threat to their own comfortable position or ask for a raise. Conservatives = Etonian types that pass bills to keep the rich at the top. Labour= Fantasists as trade unions are worthless now unless you work for the TFL . UKIP= Borderline nazis dressed as conservatives.
