Rival Watch™ 2014-2015 Special: The Tactical Genius

So explain how Wigan, Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Swansea and Birmingham all managed it then when Moyes couldn't. It must have been the massive amounts of money they had eh?

All the King's horses and all the King's men won more in one year than Moyes won in ten!

 

Moyes did get promotion for PNE and not via the Playoffs

 

big dif to being fecking winners and runners up and then losing your 2 key players though isnt there, you buffoon!

 

You'd be surprised - Mourinho has worked under Sporting Directors throughout his career (at Porto, Real Madrid, Inter etc). Chelsea had Frank Arnesen and they've got a new one (can't remember his name), and Man City have Txiki Begiristain who is world renowned for his contribution to both City and Barca.

Look at clubs like Bayern, Barca, Juventus, Real, Milan (of old) who all had great spells of dominance domestically but also achieved such consistency in the CL as well. They all have structures in place.

Bigger clubs have bigger pressures - managers cannot be expected to control everything. No organisation operates like that.

You wanted to examples of these models working in England and I gave you two. In fact, you can argue that Swansea and Southampton operate in similar ways - their owners act as Sporting Directors because have a vision for the club which will remain the same regardless of who they bring in. All they have to do is ensure that they bring in a coach who shares a similar belief and the machine continues to operate. In those two cases, the 'managers' do have a bit more power given the size of the respective clubs.

I've given you plenty of examples of teams who successfully implemented this structure to achieve great success vs English manager controlled clubs and only Ferguson can really argue against my point.

 

think you are confusing today and his first stint... i'm sure mourinho didn't pick sidwell either... matic was sold outside of mourinho's reign. for a profit i might add. he was a 1.5mil signing and use din a makeweight deal for luiz so he increased his value to circa 5mil wil on loans.

Cos mourinho loved him they bought him back simples. it was also a full 3 years (2001 to 2014 that he returned) great player mind.

Is mourinho in charge now? Probably, RA seems to have given up his madness and let the pros run his club in a way that beats FFP to hell and gone

 

so have we found one actual moyes acheivement then <laugH> god that is funny....

 

I don't think he's a genius. I think he's an middle to upper level manager A solid manager. Not a world beater like our mr mourinho just a better version of Big Sam. However i do think Rodgers is a poor manager which is why Moyes >> Rodgers

 

Think some of the Moyes bashing is a bit unfair. You don't have to win major trophies etc to be a good manager.

Winning such trophies, consistently makes a top class manager.

Moyes, for what he did, was good. But that's all. There's nothing special about it, there's no genius involved or any world class ability. He is a good manager for that level which is mid table.

Dare I say, Roy is a good manager as well - but only for mid table/relegation battling clubs.

 

no... he's average, totally average with average ideas and a small time mentality

 

£800,000 a year compared to about £100m a year during their time at respective clubs sounds like a figure transfer inflation will cover for.

As I have said many time, Moyes took Everton to 4th with this squad!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004–05_Everton_F.C._season

 

well that confirms it then

can see why big sam thinks he is good enough to manage real now with all those 2nd place finishes he has managed what? wrong end of the table! shame lol

 

I guess this thinking that winning medals irrespective of a clubs financial power is the most important factor makes a mockery of Pulis getting manager of the year award last year. It should go to the manager whos team wins the most important trophies. We should just give it the manager who wins the league every year.

 

He hasn't lost his great hope for the season....just rushed him back from injury when he said he needs special treatment for his jelly legs!

So all his eggs seem to be in the sterling basket.....and the handle looks to be broken

 

i like JB....what has Rodgers won?

 

Tony Pulis winning that award was a mockery. In fact, those awards are based on sentiment really. Didn't Moyes win a few? Ferguson/Mourinho haven't won it have they?

 

runners up in the league so far, hasn't taken him 11 yrs just to manage a top 4 finish thank fully.

apart from with another managers players, moyes?

 

I've already proved that to be absolute nonsense, as they were a fabulous side, so just give it up mate.

 

Exactly mate. It 'gets wheeled out' as there's a direct correlation between resources i.e. transfer funds and wages and success.

It's used by kopites as an excuse for being outdone 'by dem oil clubz' but then decried as somehow meaningless when it's used to prove that Moyes did a fine job given the resources available at Everton.

Trotting out the 6 lesser clubs that managed to win a cup during his tenure, looks a tad daft when you point out that 5 of them subsequently got relegated........

Pound for pound no other manager outshone Moyes over the duration of his tenure at Goodison, that's a simple fact.

 

How many of last years 2nd place finish was down to Rodgers players. Same could be said. Minus Coutinho, Sturridge, Ming, Allen (who barely started) every single player was Kenny's/Rafas

Just a quick note though, as we are playing the no financial constraint game Moyes in his only season at United got them to 7th and got them out of the group stages in his first year. Rodgers also finished 7th in his first year at Liverpool i.e. joint record.

 

You've given me the 2 oil clubs, who've bought their way to success and now you've chucked in Soton and Swansea.

Swansea haven't even got a DoF!

Soton are doing OK at present, but how much of that is down to the input of Koeman over both transfer selection and team management as opposed to Les Reed, I've no idea, time will tell I suppose.

Listen, you reckon the DoF model is the one to follow I don't.

You've given me City, I'll raise you Spurs......we'll have to agree to disagree.