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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by astro, Oct 20, 2014.

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Who started better at Man Utd?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2014.
  1. Moyes

    58.3%
  2. Van Gaal

    8.3%
  3. Equally bad

    33.3%
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  1. Torres and Suarez had both stood out at a major international tournament prior to us signing them so were known throughout the footballing world. Can't say the same for Lacazette. However, in terms of playing standard you may well be right as I know nothing about him bar him being a decent youngster on Fifa <laugh>
     
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  2. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    True, and I agree he is on a lesser level than those two but he's still highly regarded.

    There doesn't appear to any strikers in that category anymore - either seems to be potential or world class - not much in between. As mentioned previously, Volland, Aubayameng and Lacazette were ideal replacements. Shame our whole strategy was clueless when it came to replacing our star player.
     
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  3. Germlands Nozzer

    Germlands Nozzer Well-Known Member

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    Or, if Rodgers had more control, we would at least have had Bony...
     
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  4. I'd have put Diego Costa in that category, he's obviously moved on to a new higher level now though. There are others but they are older (Tevez, Lavezzi, etc) so we wouldn't see the rise to world class like with Torres and Suarez.
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Another overpriced player. He's good but talk about downgrading from SAS - fast, dynamic, skillful duo, to a lone striker.

    We should be targeting better ffs. It's so embarrassing. Rodgers even said himself that Man Utd would struggle to sign top class players without CL but then he goes and buys Lallana, Lambert, Lovren??
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Ahhh Costa. He would have been the one. Such a shame that didn't materialise.

    What about Jackson Martinez? Established striker, doing well. Will cost an arm and a leg now.
     
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  7. Don't anything about him, only heard the name. I think the best thing we can do right now is get certain players out the club; aka Mario and Glen. Stevie needs removing from the first team too. We obviously need a goalscorer too though.
     
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  8. Germlands Nozzer

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    Isn't that exactly what we've done anyway though? At least Bony would do it better than Balotelli.

    I agree we should be targeting better and Bony would be expensive, but he would at least have brougt goals. He would have been less risky than Lacazette as well (albeit Lacazette may well have paid off).
     
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  9. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    You're right about getting players out of this team. But a lot more would go before Mario IMO. As I've said before, play Mario with a partner and we'll see a different player. He's never been a lone striker yet Rodgers persists.

    Glen, Skrtel, Lovren (cut our losses), Gerrard, Lucas.

    As much as I would like to keep Stevie (mainly for his influence in the dressing room alone), he simply won't get dropped whilst Rodgers is in charge. Plus I feel he does have a lot power at the club as well.

    The rest are old (except Lovren), poor ability and on big wages.
     
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  10. BobbyD

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    A few pages late, but Moyes achievements so far >>>> Rodgers.

    Moyes net spend was literally nothing, making a relegation candidate a perenial top 6 achiever.

    Rodgers has blown 200m!. His spend comparisson between liverpool and everton is akin to what City and Chelsea have done
     
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  11. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    what about what he done with a title wining squad then at utd? he was a fecking shambles.
     
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  12. Germlands Nozzer

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    Would keep Lucas for now; DM isn't exactly an area where we're overflowing with numbers or talent. Thought he did well against Madrid as well.
     
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  13. Tobes

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    No mate.

    If you think that Maureen has someone dictating who they sign at Chelsea then you're mistaken. With the caveat that Abramovich gave him the odd 'gift' e.g. Shevchenko. But generally speaking he calls the shots, hence the man who authorised the sale of Matic was forced to go back 18 months later and pay 4 or 5 times what they sold him for to get him back, that was not a decision made by anyone other than the manager

    City have thrown that much money at it, that a chimp in a suit could have won them the league by now, so I wouldn't class that as a ringing endorsment of the models success on these shores either.
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

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    I'd say getting a team promoted to the prem out weighs a charity shield.

    The old shoestring budget gets rolled out every time doesn't it, the fact that to go with it he had the luxury and it is a luxury indeed these days, of 12 years to get his team together to challenge and win something and yet failed miserably when clubs like Wigan and Birmingham won trophies, says it all. To try and fail 43 times [thereabouts] is shockingly bad.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yes all those attempting to big up moye are just looking so ridiculous its funny.

    This has to be one of the poorest efforts i've seen in all my time on 606 or not 606...... moyes is a ginger ape incapable of managing a whelk stand. e'll last about 6 months in spain as well s all this trying to get back at astro aint working. i think it just makes certain people look very very dim indeed.
     
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  16. BobbyD

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    Doesn't the shoestring budget get rolled out for the reasons Chelsea and City are dominating? Or how about the Benitez era when he was 'restricted' and thus couldn't complete Liverpools rise to the top.

    Of course it counts, Moyes at Everton and Rodgers at Liverpool are in completely different positions in terms of financial power. Brendens first 11 probably cost more than the whole of Moyes Everton rein (not inclusive of wages which is a overused excuse as to why rodgers couldn't attract any world stars)

    I will give you that Moyes has made a pigs ear of Man United. Maybe Fergie was just that special of a manager (inclusive of the referees that he bought). We can see now, LVG is doing just as bad with United so maybe it wasn't all Moyes fault....or LVG is just as bad.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    ah tobes c'mon..............

    you lost to villareal who were nothing special in the 3rd round of the CL qualifying which was pathetic enough but your reward for failure was to go into the europa and i gave you your 1st round humiliation at the hands of another mighty european side....

    figure it out... your "great one" Utds "chosen one" scraped 4th once, got humiliated in europe not once as LFC were european champions but twice.... you played villareal in agust and bucharest in september....

    c'mon tobes... you really really must do better cos the FACTS you want to avoid keep on piling up. Again the point is clear keep on wumming using moyes cos his record is nothing short of pathetic really. You got 4th = better than rodgers.... well not once, but twice I've shown what that menat for your lot and you've tired to ignore it. you stank up europe.
     
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  18. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    indicentally.....

    moyes 4th place finish in 2004/05 was followed up by a stinking 11th place in 05/06.... again.............. marvellous record.... now go cry about shoestrings and so forth.
     
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  19. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    lets see what Rodgers does with his title runners up<ok>
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    tripe... thats like comparing 1980's fees to 1990's fees.moyes could only dream of the fee martinez paid for mr lukaku.... keep trying......

    trying to make moyes out as some form of genius who was on the wrong end of everything is just so funny.... anyone else care to join in and cover themselves in golum spunk?
     
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