Can you post a link to that, cause its seems very easy for a good saturday night to turn into a real bad sunday morning.
Ched Evans hasn't proved that he is innocent. The jury heard, saw and read all the evidence, we have seen very little of it, and what we have seen comes from the Ched Evans website and the transcript of his application for leave to appeal. You know how I work, so where's your evidence? Did his medical expert examine her prior to the application for leave to appeal? Did he say what her tolerance levels were? She says she had over 20 units but alcohol affects different people in different ways, so how did drinking that amount of booze affect her? She says she doesn't remember leaving the bar so she may have drunk far more than that. Its not even his word against hers, it all comes down to the CCTV footage of her drunk on the floor of a bar with Evans looking on, the footage from the kebab shop, the footage of her entering the hotel, less the gaps in it, the footage taken by his mate plus the word of the night porter on how drunk she was. He says she consented, well in the words of Mandy Rice-Davies, he would say that wouldn't he? So let me see your evidence that he's innocent.
Obviously nobody really knows how many rape allegations are actually false, though in the US the FBI put the number at 8%, which is split between people who regret what they've done and revenge against ex-partners. I think any false rape claim is appalling, I think anyone who gets away with rape is equally appalling, it's a very difficult crime to prove/disprove, as it's usually two people on their own and it comes down to which a jury believes.
I'm unable to comment on the video evidence, other than the hotel CCTV, as that's all that's in the public domain. In the hotel video at 4.08am, she doesn't really look pissed at all, she walks in with MacDonald, realises she's left her hour old pizza outside and goes out unaided to get it. I've seen the court reports of the kebab shop video, where she is described as 'cockling over on her high heels', I don't know anything about the video in the bar, nor do I know what's on the mobile phone footage that was taken through the window(though as that finishes before any alleged offence took place, I'm not sure it tells us much, unless she's passed out at the time). I'm surprised that more details of the video footage are not in the public domain. I should be very clear here, I'm not defending anyone who has committed rape, I'm not suggesting that a drunk girl in a hotel room is asking for it, I'm not trying to justify what Evans did, he's obviously a bit of a prat. What concerns me, is that in this instance, a girl had sex with a bloke in a hotel room and nobody else was there, so he can claim what he wants and she can claim what she wants. Whatever video exists in the club, in the kebab shop, or in the hotel, tells us nothing about what actually happened in that room when they were on their own and that's where the alleged offence took place. Had she shown traces of a date rape drug, had she shown any injuries from that night, then everything would have been far more straight forward, but that wasn't the case. I have no idea if she made the allegation for money, or regret, or if she was actually raped, I have absolutely no evidence at all, what concerns me is the fact that nobody else seems to have much evidence either.
She made no allegation other then her bag had been stolen and she thought her drink had been spiked. When the police investigated they decided she had not consented and prosecuted MacDonald and Evans. She has consistently said he cannot remember what happened. This evidence, not the woman's statement, convinced the police to prosecute and the jury to convict Evans. The evidence had nothing to do with the woman at all, other then to show how drunk she was.
1 in 5 women have been a victim of sexual violence. They generally don't report it (even to close family members) because they feel they will not be believed. Judging by this thread it kind of backs up what they are saying. That's a hell of a lot of people out there getting away with it. If anyone on here has a daughter then that's a sobering thought.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...says-club-long-way-from-re-signing-ched-evans Can you Shaw me where Nigel Clough has said that? He initially said that any decision would be with the owners and he would have no part of it - that was back in October. He then explained that accepting Evans back for training had been discussed over weeks, discussed throughout the club, as a result of the request of the PFA I do not see where he says 're-signing him was discussed, just that it was a very long way off. It co.we across that all of the deliberations were to do with the training and it was only the training we were discussing, as no offer of employment existed.
Be carefull of statistics “I do not believe that the one in five statistic is trustworthy,” said Christina Hoff Sommers, self-titled “factual feminist” and resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. In another survey the figure was 1 in 40 and this included verbal sexual assault. http://time.com/2934500/1-in-5 campus-sexual-assault-statistic/ Don't think i am defending those who do commit rape, but there is a huge gray area as shown in the Evans case
From the Daily Mail (national) "Sheffield United have steadfastly refused to comment on whether they will allow Evans to play again. Earlier this week manager Nigel Clough said the matter had been discussed by the club's hierarchy. He said the decision was not his to make but would be made by the club 'in good time'."
Strange how they decided to prosecute in this instance yet there was a report this weekend criticising the police for not proceeding in hundreds of cases where there seems to have been more evidence of violence involved.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/11/male-female-rape-statistics-graphic The survey data also shows that in 2011/12 one in five females aged between 16 and 59 had been the victim of a sexual offence or attempted offence since the age of 16. Among males the figure was 2.7%. 60% of court proceedings in 2011 involving sexual offences resulted in a conviction, with sexual assault on a male achieving the highest rate (91%) and rape of a female the lowest (39.7%) In 2011 the conviction rate for rape against a female was 39.7%, just below the 45.2% rate for rape against a male.
Lets not go down the my stats are better than your stats road. Famous phrase "Lies Damned Lies and Statistics"
I think you're possibly reading too much into the reaction of many people on here to this particular case and their opinion on rape generally. Personally, i'm uncomfortable with this specific case, as I believe the evidence is very weak. But in more general terms, I think that too many rape cases don't make it to court and of those that do, too few result in a conviction. That probably sounds like a contradiction, but each case must be judged on it's own merits and though I think that too many men probably get away with rape, I don't think that justifies a weak case being successful.
Why the strong emphasis on women and girls by Rape Crisis? Why does it use a universal symbol for women instead of a gender neutral one? Men are raped as well, or is the rape of a woman more important to Rape Crisis than the rape of a man? Feminism has never been about equality, as it's only interested in the rights of women. Its attitude to men is derisory and unappealing.
Is discuss the same as consider? The discussions about a return for training go back to April, is it that a return (for training) is all too readily formed into a contract offer. He made it very clear that there was no offer and that the discussions were about training. But, hey, there has not been a job offer, has there? Now there is no training, is there? Why is that a good thing?
