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The Friday night debate: immigration, where do you stand?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Shameless, Nov 21, 2014.

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Where are you on the spectrum?

  1. Send home all non-whites and Muslims home now

  2. Stop new in-migration and repatriate all Muslims

  3. Stop all further immigration and asylum seekers entering the country

  4. Only professionals may enter the country, all else is strictly controlled

  5. Control immgration to allow genuine economic migrants the right to work

  6. We benefit hugely from formal and informal in-migration, more than being disadvantaged by it

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  1. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    British culture has changed enormously over the last 6 decades, with waves of people of diverse nationalities, ethnic identities, languages, races and religions.

    How do you feel about this?
     
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  2. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Personally, i'd put a five or six year plan in place to leave the Europe and retake control of our borders.
     
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  3. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    I think you'll find there's not a very substantial economic argument for leaving the EU.
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    My immediate plan would be to deport any foreign person non-compliant with UK law. This includes Eastern European pickpockets, Islamists campaigning for Shari'a Law and Chinese tax dodgers claiming their 'Card machine no work' in their takeaways.

    I'd then re-evaluate where we were for a medium-term, whilst implementing a new law whereby you can not scrounge for any more than two children, anybody caught attempting to cheat this law would be immediately banned from ever claiming from the country and where applicable, deported.

    I would make the Burkha illegal.

    I would make it illegal for any foreigner to be allowed into the country on a working visa unless they were fluent in English.

    I would make it illegal for any foreigner to be allowed access to the UK medical facilities without relevant insurance from their own countries.

    After that let's see how we get on for a while.
     
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  5. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    Well that's Newcastle ****ed
     
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  6. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Eh? The economic argument would be in the plan, which should have an estimated time allotted to make the changes to put is in a strong economic position in which to leave. You're basically saying the plan isn't viable without seeing the plan <doh> It's like you don't know the definition of plan.

    Your options are idiotic as they're simply not realistic as we don't have control of our own boarders so how can we implement any of them? We can't.
     
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  7. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    Fine, if that's your opinion, but you're asking the wrong questions.

    Catching people without a residence permit would not be hard; in particular those working in factories, building sites and numerous small scale operations etc, not to mention hordes of people waiting at pick up points at 5am.

    So why don't they?
     
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  8. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Because EU rules say they can't be deported without their passports, Illegal immigrants enter this country destroy their passports making extremely difficult to deport them. It's EU restrictions keeping us from deporting them. That's why.

    I'm asking the wrong questions? Your poll isn't fit for purpose, it's fantasy.

    The question is, do we do nothing, or lay the infrastructure to leave the EU in the future to retake control of our own boarders? Then we can ask the question put forward in your poll.

    IMO this should be done by reforming Agriculture both in this country and in our overseas territories, and industry, creating more viable exports an increasing business relations with the Far East, China in particular and the US in order to be in a position to financially leave the EU and have a strong trading network to stimulate our economy, and to keep the cost of produce down in this country.
     
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  9. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    ...fuggit
     
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  10. HorsleyHillCat

    HorsleyHillCat Well-Known Member

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    We can stay in europe & still take control of our borders again, what can they do?
     
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  11. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    How? We can't even deport our illegal immigrants thanks to the EU, let alone screening the legal ones to a criteria(as suggested by the poll) which they most certainly will not stand for as racial screening of any kind is a massive no no to the EU.


    Ukip is right to want to leave the EU, it's the way they want to do it which has car crash written all over it meaning they shouldn't be touched with a 20ft barge pole.
     
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  12. The Outlaw

    The Outlaw Well-Known Member

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    Countries like England, France, Germany, and the U.S. will never reclaim their borders to anyone's satisfaction.

    The world is getting smaller and smaller and the idea that a country can keep people out is a pipe dream. They will find a way.

    There is no going back. There is only going forward. The world is going to look very different in 25 years, and border protection will prove to be a folly.

    Too many people, too many incentives for the less wealthy to find opportunities.

    This is not meant to be an editorial on my part, I actually have no opinion on the matter other than the continued blending of people and cultures is inevitable. The Japan's of the world will hold out as long as they can, but it will contribute to their irrelevance and downfall.

    It can't be stopped. Think of the cockpit of the Starship Enterprise. That's what awaits us all. No biggie to me, just the way it is.
     
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  13. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    The world is a smaller place these days, so we are all getting around a lot more. I live 20 mins from Gatwick airport and can get to my pad in Spain quicker than I can drive to the North East. The part of Spain I go to is crawling with expat Brits, so it's a quid pro quo that other europeans can come here. I just think we're stupid. If illegals come here and destroy their passports, shove them in a holding camp until they 'fess up. What's the problem? If people come here and break the law, they get deported. Again, what's the problem? Ditto anyone preaching religious bigotry. We bleat on like it's out of our control, but even the australians, who are not noted for being uptight about things, bang up illegals straight away. They don't **** about and the fact that we do is down to us.
     
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  14. Blind Corner

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    I believe that anyone convicted of terrorism should be imprisoned here, and all of his family sent back to wherever they originated, regardless of whether or not their children were born here.
    These people are very family orientated and the shame of being sent back would be more than a lot of them could bear, so the risk of being sent back would deter a lot of the youths that think its glamorous and heroic to betray the country where they were looked after and educated.
     
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  15. safc-noggieland

    safc-noggieland Well-Known Member

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    I am an economic refugee, moved to earn relatively 'decent' wages. Couldn't speak the local lingo - my employers didn't care , so I didn't either. Started in jobs the locals wouldn't take worked my way up !!!
    Now I would never consider coming home (other than to visit). I therefor would find it hypocritical to deny a husband/father trying to better himself and his family by taking a job in another country. The hard part is legislating against abuse !!!!!!!!!!!! In my humble opinion formulating a law to stop perceived abuse is in reality an impossibility. The only way would be for ALL countries to close borders against EMMIGRATION and that would be tragic, and would benefit only mafia-like refugee smugglers even more.

    Live and let live.

    Peace

    ;)
     
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  16. password invalid

    password invalid Well-Known Member

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    bad enough paying tax for our own lazy bastards to sit at home on benefits never mind other buggers from all over the place,started work in 69 and have been paying in ever since ,pisses me off to read what some are receiving in handouts ,the solution is beyond me apart from the obvious stated in other posts,even where i reside the effect is happening slowly but surely and this is an area with astronomic house prices with little industry to speak of,so it means more handouts and housing being awarded once again in an already over burdened system.
     
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  17. Charley Farley

    Charley Farley Well-Known Member

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    Put it this way.

    How many people can we get into England.

    Everybody, even the liblabcon voters, must have an upper limit.

    I think we are full now and I don't need to reel off all the effects of over population as we all know them.

    So then, any of you lot who want unlimited immigration, what is your upper limit when you will say we are full. 100 million, 150 million, 250 million? And then will you become a racist according to someone who wants 300 million people in England.

    By the way, because of immigration and breeding the indigenous population in England will be the minority THIS CENTURY. How do you fancy living under Sharia law?
     
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  18. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    I'd only let folk in who have a skill we need.
    The rest can get tae ****, especially asylum seeking, third word detritus. <ok>
     
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  19. password invalid

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    so more of my tax has to pay to keep them in prison at god knows how much a day
     
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  20. Blunham Mackem

    Blunham Mackem Well-Known Member
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    Wow, that's really quite prescient.

    For better or worse, while I have no idea which way it'll go, I hope you're right.

    That would be one way for reducing grief and hatred on this rock.
     
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