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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by DevAdvocate, Nov 12, 2014.

  1. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Best way to avoid rape accusations is to refuse to have sex with women. It works for Venom. Not once has he been accused of rape.
     
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  2. simon_bhoy

    simon_bhoy Well-Known Member

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    ****ing rats story is true
     
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  3. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    She did'nt take any action Jip, that again would be the CPS and the Police.

    If you want to believe that someone could Perjure themselves in open court - as Evans' supporters have claimed - then you have to ask why did his defence lawyer not point out this perjury? Did no one notice it? That sounds totally implausable.

    Like most of their claims, they do not - and did not - hold up in court, the alleged Tweets, the Facebook comments were not presented to the jury because they could not be authenticated.
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Toby launches yet another plea for attention.
     
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  5. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    If she was sober enough to walk steadily and unaided into the hotel, she was sober enough to consent to sex. And if she was sober enough to consent to sex to Evans' co-defendant, she was sober to consent to sex with Evans.

    The jury ****ed up badly with this one, Dev, and it baffles me that you can't grasp that.
     
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  6. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    I have to disagree with you here Jip. It's the law that's ****ed up. The jury was just doing as instructed.
     
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    Deleted 1 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I totally agree.
     
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  8. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Why was Evans there Jip? Was he invited by the girl or McDonald?
     
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  9. Simon's black friend Josh

    Simon's black friend Josh Active Member

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    Hey Simon :emoticon-0117-talki
     
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  10. simon_bhoy

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  11. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Jip, read this:

    The jury was directed as follows: "When you come back .... you will be asked to return separate verdicts in respect of each of the two defendants. Accordingly, when you retire you must consider the case, that is to say the evidence for and against each of the two defendants separately. Whilst there is a considerable overlap in that evidence, the evidence is not identical, and whilst your verdicts may very well be the same in the case, they might be different. The important thing for you to remember is your approach to the case for and against the defendants must be considered separately."

    Given that direction, it was open to the jury to convict both defendants, to acquit both defendants, or to convict one and not the other defendant. That was the point of a joint trial in which separate verdicts were to be returned. It was open to the jury to consider that even if the complainant did not, in fact, consent to sexual intercourse with either of the two men, that in the light of his part in what happened -- the meeting in the street and so on -- McDonald may reasonably have believed that the complainant had consented to sexual activity with him, and at the same time concluded that the applicant knew perfectly well that she had not consented to sexual activity with him (the applicant). The circumstances in which each of the two men came to be involved in the sexual activity was quite different; so indeed were the circumstances in which they left her. Those were matters entirely open to the jury; there was no inconsistency.
     
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  12. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    That doesn't matter. The question is, "was she sober enough to consent to sex?" She clearly was.
     
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  13. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    The desperate cries of a bunch of men who have to ply a woman with masses of alcohol to get their hole. That's all I'm reading here.
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    It clearly matters in the eyes of the law as I have shown you Jip, that bit I quoted came from the Judges decision at Evans' Appeal hearing, are you saying you know better than an appellant Judge?


    "The circumstances in which each of the two men came to be involved in the sexual activity was quite different; so indeed were the circumstances in which they left her. Those were matters entirely open to the jury; there was no inconsistency".
     
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  15. Simon's black friend Josh

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    <laugh>'
     
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  16. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Men who would happily make their way to a hotel - without an invitation - to try and shag a drunken girl <doh>
     
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  17. simon_bhoy

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    that's all life is
     
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    Deleted 1 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Not me Venom - I just make sure that the cheque never bounces and it's all fine and dandy <ok>
     
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  19. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    I get my hole because, as a married man, I have a legal right to conjugal activities.
     
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  20. Null

    Null Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    At least they just give them alcohol ... <venomsroofiesupply>
     
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