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Brendan Rodgers: At The Crossroads?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jimmy Squarefoot, Nov 12, 2014.

  1. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I've always found his interviews a bit much, too much too soon if you like, saying what we want to hear other than what is actually happening. I don't think I've been less interested in what a Liverpool manager has to say since Roy and frequently turn off games before the managers post match interview (this includes last season by the way).

    He needs help from within the club and I just don't think he's going to get it as the right staff are not in place, I'll still back him and hope that he turns it around but I just don't see it happening. Sturridge will help as he's a top player and has been missed but I don't think he'll be enough (as in top 4) but will help us beat so called lower opposition.
     
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  2. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    For me that (beating lower opposition) would be a sign that recovery could be on its way. If we cannot beat crystal palace then (due respect to them) who will we beat??
     
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  3. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Sturridge gives us that (a goal scorer) beyond that it's a worry as we have such problems that Rodgers seems to be ignoring.
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I agree with all of this. Especially the bold bit, it's what I've always said about him. In one of, if not his first interview, he more or less said 'someone make me an offer for Carroll and you can have him' - I knew then he was likely to be always saying more than he needed to. He does need help but as in other life situations, the first step towards getting help is recognising that you need it.
     
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  5. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Everton have a massive injury crisis and cant defend at the moment for dear life - EL seems to be hitting us also with the tepid performnce agaisnt Sunderland following a good win midweek.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Exactly - he rejected the notion of a DoF or change in structure because he wants complete control. Commendable but you need to earn that right first.
     
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  7. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    We were very weak with that, BR basically said initially he won't be meeting with our people as he didn't want to interview and then burn his bridges with Swansea if he didn't get it - then we pretty much told him the job is his and then bowed to his demands.

    If the people at the very top wanted a DoF then no employee should tell them that's not happening.
     
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  8. Livtor

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    Wrong, I'm afraid. He wouldn't know what to do with help within the club.

    Who needs that kind of help is the man who's past the crossroads and into the right direction asking for a cab. Or the man who's at crossroads and asks an experienced traveller "Which way to Springfield?". Brendan is neither of these men. Brendan is at the crossroads not knowing where to. He doesn't know, at this moment, who he, Brendan Malachy Rodgers, is. Only Plato or Freud could possibly help him at this stage.
     
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  9. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if you need to earn the right, it's either a condition of employment or you're not offered the job. FSG were impressed with his vision which tbf to Rodgers his tiki taka idea didn't work with who he had so he's done a combination of adopting a style to suit what he has while getting rid of those players who he sees as don't fit either his original vision or the adapted one.
     
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  10. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I think it's more like one of those classic maze puzzles with a slight variation, he can see where he needs to be but doesn't know which path to take. That's the opposite to what you're suggesting - he's at the crossroads not knowing where to. But the upshot is the same - he needs help and guidance.
     
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  11. Livtor

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    And where is he trying to go, trying to do? Judging by his actions, I'm not sure he knows what sort of manager he is at the moment.
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    Leaving aside LFC's specific problems/specific needs - he must have his eye on the prize. What is the prize? Again his specific prize is known by him, his staff and the owners [for prize here read 'season target']. Every competition you're in has a prize at the end of it. All teams are in the comp. but only a handful have realistic chance of winning. It breaks down into three categories, the ones with a real chance to win, the outsiders and the also-rans. This season realistically we are also-rans in the league and CL but outsiders for everything else. With this in mind he has to manage his resources to achieve what's actually achievable.

    If you wanted a philosophical answer, that may take me a while longer.
     
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  13. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    This is getting really philosophical... :)

    Are we saying he may not even know what type of football he would like to play? (apart from winning football obviously). Sure that would be a real problem. I hope he knows whether we should play a more direct type of football like Bayern, or a more passing and patient one like (the old) Barcelona. Unless he is sure in his own mind then I cannot see how he can get the right players. I hope he knew all this when he bought the players in summer.
     
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  14. Livtor

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    Brendan probably thinks he can switch between various attacking philosophies and a mourinhian pragmatic approach too. His head is too big and his roots shallow, if that's the case. It takes cojones to think that one month you're Guardiola, the next Hyenckes, and the next whoever the 5 at the back professor was.

    I have seen enough evidence to suggest that he's opportunistic in his tactics. He's made audacious by his ego, then goes with his gut, then waits for the universe to speak to him. At that point, he switches up but retains an anchor of loyalty towards a group of players, just so that the winds don't abduct him entirely. I don't think his loyalty to players is founded on a tactical consciousness.
     
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  15. saintanton

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    So, are we going to call for a change of manager every time we go on a bad run?
    If so, we're going to have to stop laughing at all those other clubs who change their manager every five minutes, because we'll be no different.
     
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  16. Jürgenmeiʃter

    Jürgenmeiʃter Top top top top top flirt

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    Dont think its that Saint, I dont want him gone but I think everyone is just frustrated with his team selection mistakes and his persistence with them. If we can all see it why cant he sort of thing

    BR has to accept this if he isnt changing anything given our bad run + some really bad performances
     
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  17. Livtor

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    No, I'd still give him until the end of the season, if we are within 10 points of 4th place by January. He deserves that much after last season.
     
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  18. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    And if he isn't you want another manager and back to the drawing board?
     
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  19. saintanton

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    Well, that's rather the point, isn't it? If the mistakes are so obvious, exactly why doesn't he see it? He isn't an unintelligent man, so what are the reasons?
    The fact is that any consensus from us on team selection is an illusion. Fans have their own favourites, their own ideas, and get annoyed when the manager doesn't do what they want him to do. For instance, some on here think Sakho is our best defender and underused, (injuries apart), whereas others think he's awkward and likely to make mistakes.
    Some admire Skrtels ****-or-bust attitude, others want to drop him citing a poor positioning sense. Some think Balotelli is working harder and needs more time, others are already wanting to send him to the glue factory.
    The truth is that there are no obvious answers, we all have our pet reasons for the abysmal run, and our favoured solutions, but we can happily put them forward safe in the knowledge that they'll never be put to the test and we won't have to carry the can.
    I'm sure BR is just as perplexed as we at how badly we are playing, and there's nothing he can do about the personnel now before January. All that's left to him is man-management and motivating the players to turn this around, and for that we must wait and see. He did it once before, now we get to see whether or not it was a fluke, so in that sense he is at a sort of crossroads.

    Having said all of that, I'm baffled at the continued inclusion of Johnson. Last weekend I found myself angry yet again watching him leave his defensive duties to someone else (Coutinho, in this case) and then jogging back just in time to watch the second goal go in. I hate to get on the back of one particular player, but I just don't know why he's there.
    Not that dropping him would miraculously make us world-beaters, of course, but surely we'd improve?
     
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  20. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I've never been sure about Rodgers but nobody asked my opinion before appointing him so there you go. That said, I don't think he will be going anywhere yet and I'm more inclined to give his [seemingly many visions] a go before getting back on the manager merry-go-round. He needs help and I hope he doesn't remain too stubborn about letting go of some of the control and seeking some out maybe in the form of creating of some new roles that don't involve the words 'analyst' or 'data'.
     
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