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Will there ever be a budget cap?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by BrightLampShade, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    That is going back to the days when you had turbo and non-turbo cars competing against each other.

    If that idea is being floated, surely it would be better just to go back down the customer car route for the smaller teams? Costs stay reasonable and the bigger teams would be happy as they can get a continued return on their development costs as they can sell year old chassis/technology to teams down the grid.

    Win/win surely?
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Renault are as far back as they make out. A lot of Renault powered machinery were passing Mercedes powered cars down the long straight in Austin.

    Ferrari are the ones who look like they have the big problem with power, though if the reports are correct it is more to do with the energy systems, which I think they will be able to work on a bit in the close season.

    RBR, even when they were dominating, were complaining about their engines and parity. They won't be happy unless they win every single race they compete in. They're never happy.

    It's the works Mercedes package as a whole that has outfoxed everyone. They have the best chassis, aero and engine combination for 2014. I fully expect RBR to reign them in next year.

    If the Merc engine was so brilliant, how come McLaren and FI have struggled with it so much?
     
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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    What about if F1 has a bog standard F1 car built by dallara or lola that could we hired to upstart teams for 3 seasons after which they will be required to build their own. If they fail then somebody else could come in at low cost to replace them.

    In the mean time FOM and FIA could tackle RB & Ferrari reducing their prize money allowances and also introducing some caps
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Still have massive costs for them to design and build a car, okay it could be shared amongst teams, but who would put up the initial costs for say Dallara to invest in such a car?

    The combined budget of the smallest 3 teams doesn't match that of RBR/Ferrari, so would still be a tall order and no guarantee it wouldn't be a pile of dogshit.

    I favour customer/1 yr old cars to smaller teams. £20 to paint on a different colour scheme and most won't be able to know it's a customer car as to the uninitiated they all look the same anyway.
     
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  5. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Mercedes won because they cheated and we only have the words of people who are habitual liars and cheats that it was the only test they did, which I personally don't believe. I also think there was probably some collusion, otherwise Whiting would have been fired
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    So Mercedes won by illegally testing a tyre compound that's no longer used on a car that's no longer used?

    Come on Miggs. They built a better car than the opposition.
     
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  7. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Let's hope Vettel starts winning next year and Hamilton gets taken down with a disease that stops him from racing.

    Another season of your conspiracy theories will be too much to bear.
     
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  8. DHCanary

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    My biggest concern (as the Autosport article highlights) about "Super-GP2" is what it means for Sauber, Force India, Toro Rosso and Lotus. If it were to be 5 manufacturers (Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes, Mclaren, Williams) plus 5 customer teams, even if they max out the grid capacity one or more of those teams will have to go, or at least change dramatically.

    If the customer car(s) are good enough to compete with the existing midfield then the budgets of the smaller manufacturers will become unsustainable, forcing them to become customer teams and slash hundreds of jobs between them. And if the customer cars become the new Caterham's, what's the point? Just cut smaller teams a more attractive deal.

    I absolutely loathe the idea of Kaltenborn and Fernley being cut out of high-level F1 discussions between Bernie and his preferati. They've clearly given up any attempt to pretend F1 is a level playing field. I never realised it was possible to become so disenfranchised with F1.
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    They got caught, considering the amount of bollocks that got written about RBR 'cheating' because of their innovative front wing designs you'd think people would actually be up in arms about a team and it's drivers who were actually caught blatantly cheating.

    but cognitive dissonance is always prevalent in such fandom when faced with a belief disconfirmation paradigm. "we don't like cheating" becomes "cheating is okay if it's my guy that's doing it"
    they were testing this years tyres as well, although, once again, we only have their word that they tested last years tyres at any point during their test(s)

    And yes, they built a better car than most, but the RBR is the best chassis. However the rules mean that, unlike their challengers when they were top dog, they aren't allowed to fix the achilles heel.

    And I'm surprised at the concern people have about the employment situation, they didn't seem to give a **** when their boy decided to lie to stewards and blamed it on a mechanic, but I forget, at 23 he's too young to understand that lying and cheating is bad
     
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  10. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Been studying your psychology I see.

    Funny how the same always applied to you when anything Vettel v Webber was going on. I believe the simple phrase to replace your many big words is 'rose-tinted glasses'.

    Probably a condition suffered by the majority of the population.
     
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  11. Smithers

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    Surely the basic concept of a customer car should be the chassis and the drive train/power unit, allowing the individual race team develop further designs such as aero etc.. The team would still have to function as a full race team with R&D and this would help retain their identity and be innovative.
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

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    Not getting roped in to Hamilton BS on here. Stick to the subject.
     
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  13. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Such as wing-gate you mean? When Webber told Brundle he thought the wing was s**t, then ran to the camera's complaining about 'favouritism' when they took his 's**t' wing off and gave it to the driver that loved it and replaced it with the one he'd said he had a preference for, and fools felt sorry for the 'honest, straight-talking' t**t?
    go on then, list my rose-tintedness. Webber was a lying t**t who played the media.
    as to the british public, they all thought Jimmy Saville was a saint, and a girl who racially abused then attacked a girl in a toilet is the nations darling.
     
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  14. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, all of that...........

    I think your general agenda's and prejudices go way beyond anything an F1 forum can cope with.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    Okay if nothing else this is getting WAY off topic.
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    Everyone loves a good generalisation <whistle>
     
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  18. SgtBhaji

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    I don't.... Quit generalizing! :p
     
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  19. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    Agree about other spirit dying . Just one big mess . Go out in a blaze of glory I say , safety rules yes , apart from that anything goes .

    FWIW.I would not mind betting RD was the one laughing at the teams going bust . After all he is the one who said if you cannot afford to be in F1 , get out .
     
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  20. El_Bando

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