Hope so MO. Working within the NHS as I have for around 8 years, the tories have already started to privatise parts of it. The way they are handling the pay rises is a disgrace too as it will create uneven structures in the organisation. 2 people with the same number of years experience doing the same job could be on different amounts on the pay scale - even though they are on the same incremental point on the scale. Workers will become divided. They will try to completely privatise it IMO and Douglas will get his way except that they won't lower taxes - they'll leave them the same to try to recoup the deficit that, according to them, Labour are to blame for (when, in reality, Northern Rock are to blame for it)
Just get it clear in my head Terry, are you advocating that we pay medical insurance to a private Insurance Company or a bank instead of National Insurance contributions to our government? Our system might be far from perfect but I don't have to go much past todays headlines of banks fixing the Libor rate or insurance companies falling foul of their regulatory authorities to realise where I am better off, I don't want to rely on ASDA or Tesco for my health service mate
My sentiment exactly I regard to envy, around 84% of the world doesn't have universal health care, I don't doubt for second that 84% are envious of the 16% that do. I was just generalising for him because I didn't think it was worth the detail, he's saying kids shouldn't get treatment because they paid in. He's definitely not worth the detail. Only a fool can't see the nhs is in a mess marra, but that's not a reason to scrap it imo, it's a reason to fix it.
Correct, National Insurance is an insurance contribution( the hint is given in the name). We pay it when we work and it gives insurance cover for a whole host of things such as health care and pensions. It is used to fund the ongoing expenses of running these things so the working age section of society pays for those too young to work and for those too old to work.......who of course have already paid their share. A society is strong because it looks after all of its members.
It'd be much like car insurance in theory mate, I don't have the answers. I pay private medical insurance to BUPA now, I imagine it would be the same thing on a national roll-out. Don't get me wrong mate, I have highlighted that we need to do all we can to save the NHS first, that would obviously be the priority. I only referred Marcus to the theory of insurance as he gave me the impression he thought people would have to pay for their treatment in full. To use the car insurance example again, that'd be like hitting a Ferrari and being forced to pay £100k to the driver of said Ferrari instead of your insurance paying out for it. Edit: I also don't believe a fair proportion of the NI contribution is being distributed to the healthcare sector, added to the fact that there's probably going to no state pension when I retire and you can see where I begin to get my reasoning for choosing private health insurance.
Marcus, I would bet my life that the NHS remains free at the point of delivery and paid for through our NI contributions, but it will be supported through greater reliance on Private Finance Initiatives, and further privatisation of services such as maintenance, catering, transport etc. I know what you mean about incremental wage rises, it is how politicians perpetrate their lies about public sector pay rises of 5% when in reality the public sector have had no pay increase for the past five years.
Like in every other job ? EDIT: I read your post again and may have misunderstood what you were trying to say, but I left my original comment in rather than change it. Years service should be no guarantee of pay. Performance and effectiveness should dictate salary. I see no reason to give people the same pay rise just because they've been working for the same length of time.
Why should nhs workers be given the best deals on cars i can't get cars like nhs people can for that price so that's another thing the government should stop
But we already pay an insurance through NI. An insurance based health service would mean that our NI contributions would cease and responsibility would then be with the corrupt system of bankers and insurance companies with their claims adjusters. Sorry mate, I don't normally disagree with you but this is the exception, it is an individuals choice to supplement health care with a private insurance, but not to replace it.
As opposed to the great, reliable, squeeky clean politicians in charge of running the country's national budget? It's fine to disagree mate, I have no issue with that. I know it's choice to pay private. The fact is, NHS probably gets an ever more shrinking portion of the NI Fund year on year, so eventually they'll just turn around and say 'No you're not paying anything towards the NHS actually, you're wrong, you pay NI so we can give people pensions and job seekers allowance' and all people can say to that is 'But, but, but I thought...'. I know I'd have to pay both, I accepted that a long time ago, that's why I do it!
You could be right . Perhaps we should be discussing if the money paid into education is well spent using Douglas as an example although you could argue that it's not working so pull the plug , or ,it's not working so pour more in ( or should that be more-on )
http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/282354-Going-to-my-first-game http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/282121-Rubbish-kick-off-times plus a cinfession on here that he was once a horse punching cut,, do you want anymore?
As far as I'm concerned the nhs and it's workers can go to hell wanting everyone else to work longer so you can enjoy a better pension and pay rise.
i'm done..i think you are a ****.. a mag/manc **** at that.. crack on, you boring twat..the others will suss you out, sooner or later.
You are right Terry, our NI contributions pay for more things than the NHS, it just demonstrates what a good value tax it is Don't expect me to support our politicians, I agree that most are corrupt, but the systematic management of public finances makes it more transparent than any private company would ever be. The free at point of delivery principle will always remain, but as I said previously, PFI's and privatisation of services will be used more frequently to finance the NHS.
