Mafia 4

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Maybe we could lynch Lucaas and arrest Milk?
If there is still an element of doubt surrounding Milks story, we could arrest him and he wouldnt be able to use his mafia powers tonight, then if Lucaas goes and we confirm he is mafia, we can release Milk in the morning, no harm no foul.

EDIT: Only if Milk promises not to vigilante me to death tomorrow for suggesting this....

 

I'd been wondering the same thing. Also considered the other way around, but that would be more risky.

 

Absolutely... don't waste the day by just killing Lucaaas. Get as much information as you can today.

Mafia would have no idea I was Vigilante.

Day 1 says Lucaaas is innocent. Day 2 says I am innocent (can't say why it says regular townie though, unless role not revealed). One of us is obviously guilty- so therefore the hack has been used. If we kill the recruiter tonight then you can trust the paper 100% until the end of the game.

Lucaaas is the recruiter. Kill Lucaaas tonight and we have two known townies. Myself, Tennisball. The freemasons will know another 2. Meaning they will know 4 townies.

I am going to be killed tonight because Charlene has no bullets left- would be stupid of the mafia not to kill me... but that is three still known townies for freemasons... which will be a large chunk of town.

If I weren't the vigilante, vigilante would still have a bullet left so could still defend himself if he came out.

I think this would be a brilliant suggestion!

Welcome office Tennisball!

Only guess I can make is if Journalist was only given I was town and not my role. Does seem odd.

That's not a bad thing though!

I killed an innocent. But I had a reason- even if it was based on an incorrect assumption and ended up being a bad use of a precious bullet.

Take out Lucaaas tonight and we take out their recruiter. No more Mafia... at no time will they have more than 2 people after tonight!

Can you arrest today still? After 10am. One suggestion:
Arrest me.

I'm either vigilante (with no ability to kill tonight) - or I'm Mafia. Why not hedge the bets of the town and arrest me? That way if I'm Mafia I can't kill or recruit tonight... although... also I suppose if I were Mafia I could be the hacker with my powers already used up.

Yes. I don't think they have unlimited kills. I suspect they started with two bullets like I did- but they probably get extra as the game goes on.

I suspect they had an extra bullet arrive this morning so are back up to two bullets... just a hunch... but just in case they kill me tonight, count on them still having at least one more bullet after tonight.

 

No-one was assassinated. It could be a fair assumption. It could also just have been IBWT's plan, but I think we've established that killing people early in the game is generally a good mafia move.

 

My sneaking suspicion is that Astro may have designed the game so the Mafia can only use two of their four powers every night, and the order has to rotate. So the first night they could use hack and heavy, second night assassinate and recruit, third night hack and heavy etc.

However, if members of the Mafia are killed it could be that they skip those powers. So if Milk is the Mafia Hacker and he gets us to kill him after Lucaaas, this might free up the Mafia to kill and recruit every night.

Hence this may still be a cunning ploy by the Mafia to get us to first kill an innocent, then kill another less powerful member to allow the most powerful two to use their powers more often.

Ultimately, if Milk is lying and framing Lucaaas then we have to assume the Mafia have a plan behind this, and an 'end game' strategy whereby we take the bait, lynch Lucaaas then Milk and lose as a result. In which case, the actual vigilante must come forwards today, regardless of the threat to their own life, as only their testimony can really challenge Milk's claims.

Tbh we may also need the journo to reveal themselves. Now we have an active cop, we can get the journo to confirm which of Lucaaas and Milk is telling the truth based on their past investigations. TB can then take the journo into protective custody, saving them from assassination or recruitment whilst we deal with whichever of Lucaaas and Milk is guilty.

It will rob us of the journo power until we find the Mafia recruiter and assassin, but will give us vital and trustworthy info on the Mafia which we may really need at this stage.

But it only works if we have another theory to counter Milk's claim, which means we need the genuine vigilante to speak up now!

 

Milk, why would it be stupid for the mafia not to kill you? Because you would be a known innocent?

It doesn't say so in the OP, but could it be possible for being in prison to also protect from assassination? Now that we actually have a cop, wouldn't the assassin have to get past him to get to the prisoner?

 

I was actually suggesting the same thing in my reply as you typed this. I think arresting me would be a good move! (am I safe from assassination in jail too from the Mafia?)

 

Are you sure? Where it does it say that?

 

There are two known innocents. Tennisball (who would have a shoot out if they tried to kill) and myself (and Charlene is out of bullets) - it would be absolutely the right thing to do to try and kill me tonight! Charlene is empty so I'm defenceless!

 

It doesn't.

Sir Tennisball- in your PM does it say if who you take into custody is protected or not? If it doesn't- then either that's a scenario Astro didn't think of- or he has deliberately not commented on. (or forgot to comment on).

 

Just checking your reasoning

 

Have you killed two people then? Or does defending yourself against the mafia recruiter count as using one bullet?

 

Would be interesting if an assissination attempt in the jail leads to a shoot-out with the cop...

 

Good point. Also from OP:

"The same player cannot be arrested two nights in a row."

So if the journo does reveal themselves, they can't be protected more than once and so will be killed if we don't get the recruiter tonight or tomorrow.

So ignore that idea journo, don't tell us yet!

 

True, I had people believed but people just kept their vote on me! They'll claim it was too suspicious but really they didn't have a clue

 

You're asking to be thrown in the slammer with Prison Mike!

 

After tonight assuming Lucaaas is lynched and I am killed you will know:

Known Innocent: Tennis Ball

Unknown:
afcftw
Bodanki'
danilo.
Nozzer
Red Hadron Collider
Skylarker*
Swarbs
The artist Billy Can can
ValleyGraduate12

Of that list:
MITO might have investigated either myself or Bodanki. So Bodanki might have been investigated (or I might). Unless you see any black marks against him- I wouldn't make Bod main focus.
Valley - Valley jumped on Lucaaas pretty quick. He is new, so probably wouldn't have done this if Mafia... that takes discipline to jump on a teammate when revealed.

Plus both Bod and Valley were involved in the shootout last night- and there was little effort (other than myself) to disrupt things... so if I'm proven innocent tonight- that doesn't completely rule Bod and Valley out (I suspect at least one has to be innocent though... Mafia wouldn't have let TWO be in the shootout.

That leaves the most likely suspects as being:
afcftw
danilo.
Nozzer
Red Hadron Collider
Swarbs
The artist Billy Can can


Not 100% certain- but I'd wager that the two hidden Mafia are likely in that list. (don't ignore Bod and Valley- they could still be Mafia... but less likely than the others imo).

If by any chance the two freemasons are both in that list- that gives you a pretty good thing to go on for Day 4. If both freemasons are in that list- take yourselves out of the list and that would leave only 4 suspects with 2 mafia likely hiding amongst them.


afcftw
danilo.
Nozzer
Red Hadron Collider
Swarbs
The artist Billy Can can


IF I get killed tonight- and Lucaaas get's lynched- the only Mafioso you need fear is the assassin (who can likely make two more kills and is getting a third bullet before nightfall tonight). Once you kill the assassin (recruiter being killed tonight) it makes no sense to hide your roles- I would say everyone should annonce themselves.

You might also consider announcing yourselves tomorrow regardless... there will be 4 town roles tomorrow (Journalist, Cop, 2 masons) and 4 unknown. Free Masons might consider announcing themselves tomorrow anyway after the recruiter is killed. Town would have 3 known roles then- against only 2 Mafia alive. Something to consider.

I wouldn't recommend town coming out today- but consider the implications and decide if it is worthwhile to tomorrow (after recruiter is killed... and probably me too).

 

I shot at Lucaaas (and missed) when he tried to recruit me. (I got weapons training at Imperial Storm Trooper school).

I have titanium steel underpants with a key and lock and only I know where the key is.

 

You wouldn't have lived long though. I was going to assassinate you night 2 if you were still alive and not in the vote that day. (if no one claimed on day 2 they were being pressured by heavy... because if they couldn't say they were being pressured... it meant your claim was a bluff). If someone came out and said they were being pressured day 2 I would have given you benefit of the doubt and thought Astro had changed his mind about not letting those being pressured say they were being pressured.

I didn't vote for you because I was considering killing you anyway! Unfortunately because you got voted off I killed Gerrez instead!