Mafia 4

Current situation is:
Mummy claims he is the vigilante and Lucaaas is the recruiter. Lucaaas claims he isn't
First journo article says Lucaaas is innocent, but could have been hacked

Two possibilities:
1. Mummy is telling the truth

2. Mummy is doing another Mafia bluff like IBWT did. In this case, either the journo or the vigilante can disprove him

If Milk is not the real vigilante, he's in the Mafia. So he reveals himself, but if he's the hacker then Mafia don't really lose as he could have used up his ability. Only way to identify him is either for the real vigilante to come forwards or the real journo to come forwards. But if it's a bluff and the real journo comes forwards to disprove then the Mafia will recruit him.

So the only way to disprove Mummy without exposing the journalist is for the real vigilante to please stand up.

 

OR the journalist says in his article tomorrow whether this morning's article was hacked or not? The mafia only have 1 hack according to the OP so...

 

Just read throguh everything since 7pm UK time. Interesting interesting. I guess we'll know more once the newspaper arrives in the morning.

Milk: I take it from your posting that as the vigilante, you appear to have one bullet left as the self-defence bullets don't count. If, assuming you're telling the truth, we now all vote for Lucaaas, then we essentially lose a day of information hanging around waiting. Alternatively, you could take out Lucaaas tonight and we can try and flush out the remaining mafia. If you're telling the truth.

 

True, but this assumes that the journo is able to report if they are hacked, and also that the info in the OP is accurate.

Could well be that by allowing Bisc to die the Mafia have gained another hack or something just to mess with us...

 

Well, Bodanki, Swarbs and Mummy have all pointed their fingers at you which should put you on the firing line no matter what. I'm not entirely sold on their theory but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt as it seems not unreasonable.

Still, I want to see if we can get more suspicious people in the firing line before deciding. If it comes to it, then sorry Lucaaas but we've got to get rid of you to find out if this was a lie. Not voting for you just yet.

 

Omg rofl

3 innocents including a town role in one night

Brb had it coming tbh, but I'm surprised with the other two!

So now it's mummy vs lucaaas in a "who's telling the truth". Have to say I'm leaning towards lucaaas being guilty at the moment... Don't want him to storm out too far into the lead too early though as if we have it wrong it's an Easy kill for the mafia...

So what roles do we have left? And is there any way we can help figure out what the true story is with mummy/lucaaas?

 

Why is Skylarker unknown?

 

MITO did say that he thought Milk was innocent though. Given that he was the investigator, that could lend credence to Milk.

 

I'm not sold on the theory either, but can't think of a better explanation for Mummy's post.

If Mummy is Mafia and trying to screw with us then how does the strategy work? All that would need to happen to disprove him would be for the real vigilante to identify themselves. The vigilante could do this without much fear as they are immune to recruitment and protected from assassination.

Also, if it's a bluff and we believe him, it doesn't really gain the Mafia anything. If Lucaaas is innocent then he probably has no role as I'd have thought the investigation would show. So the Mafia don't really gain anything, other than a bit of time, and they identify Mummy as one of their own. If we lynch Lucaaas tomorrow and he's innocent, then Mummy hangs the following night, so even if the Mafia use tomorrow night to recruit they will be back where they started the night after.

Tbh I can't see a scenario in which Mummy could bluff this as Mafia and they could expect to gain much. But then I couldn't see it for Bisc either, and he turned out to be the Heavy!

 

Right, I'm gonna go again now. To geta vote in, I'm going for Valley again for the moment.

I'll reserve judgment on the Milk/Lucaaas scenario until after the paper.

 

Like I said above - the only real way to prove it is for the true vigilante to stand up, identify themselves and face the risk of a Mafia bullet. The vigilante can't be recruited and has a chance to resist assassination, and having taken out Greez / MITO last night they only have one bullet left which they can use before the Mafia target them or save for a chance to kill the assassin.

So if they are out there, they need to come forward and man up for the team. If no one else claims to be the vigilante then Lucaaas has to hang. If he then turns out the be innocent, at least we have identified Milk as a Mafioso.

 

I think the problem is we don't know exactly what rules or roles are in play and how things work, so we don't know if there is some alternative motive to people's actions!

It's an extra level of complication to confuse me! And with less time available this game than before I'm finding it far more difficult to come up with any decent theories!

 

Shows a good understanding and awareness of the rules for one who has not been actively involved. (I didn't realise at first that the shoot out would use one of Charlene's bullets) Makes perfect sense... but not something that I would expect an innocent townie to originally jump on.

Exactly... we'll know by 10am... although you will claim today's paper is hacked!

Exactly- be a bit silly to come forwards if I wasn't as I would be easy to prove as a fake- if Lucaaas was innocent and I was guilty- you'd get me the next day and that's half the mafia wiped out (although they get one recruit still if Lucaaas wasn't the recruiter).

The self defence counts as a bullet used by Charlene. Charlene has none of her original bullets left in her. I'm not allowed to make a vigilante kill tonight either. That's all I'm prepared to say about that right now without giving something away to the mafia something that they would be best off not knowing.

Complete oversight by me. I was writing in a hurry because I had to go pick the kids up... Sky is a known innocent

 

Oh I didn't realise the vigilante couldn't be recruited!

 

Not convinced the paper will be definitive tbh. Could well be that the Mafia have an extra hack in certain circumstances. Lucaaas claiming the paper will clear him could be a sign of that - if he's Mafia and knows they have a trick up their sleeve.

Only the true vigilante coming forwards will convince me.

 

I'm not certain that it'll provide any 100% proof, but it'll just be interesting to see if and how it colours the waters.

 

Can the journo be recruited?

 

Everyone bar the cop and vigilante I think from what the OP says.

 

This is the post thatr confused me Milk. Are you saying you used up one of your two bullets in the shootout last night, but now you've got none left, you've got some in reserve for self-defence but can't kill anyone?

 

I can't.

I have a rifle named Charlene. Charlene has 2 bullets.

If (as they did) the mafia try to assassinate or recruit me I will be attacked. If I have no ammunition left I can't resist and will be killed. I can confirm that I used one of Charlene's bullets on Gerrez- and used one of Charlene's against Lucaaas when he tried to recruit me. I can confirm that both Charlene's bullets are gone.

There is a little more to it than that- but that's the basic point. If I'm attacked with no ammo I get killed not recruited.