Mafia 4

Because i knew he was mafia...had to do it at the last second and divert attention

 

I believe that either you executed one of your own on purpose or forgot who you had voted for and in the confusion ran out of time to change your vote back and nail your intended target. I think you might be the recruiter. Nail the heavy and recruit someone else, someone less likely to be your new heavy.

 

You also need to remember the journo can be converted too

 

I know who mafia r and they proved they were trying to take me out when i switched to ibtw

 

**** hot, another 'guilty by association'

 

Biscan has also suggested that the Mafia wanted that to happen #mindfuck

 

heres a few of my comments yesterday for greez

1.

Yesterday, 05:39 PM
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right.... now its my turn. valley and IBWT are...
right.... now its my turn.

valley and IBWT are under suspicions fo rtheir actual votes. I'd rather that than say gerrez who is in danger for not much.

Valley has voted for Lucaaas. this put...


2. Yesterday, 04:05 PM #342

Quote Originally Posted by Bodanki' View Post
I would be happy with this. Right or wrong, at least we would know any decision made would be made without Mafia influence. Cant really ask for much more than that on Day 1 to be honest.
as long s there is more than one person selected. we know from game 3 putting a few up in a tie is better.

sky has a 4/15 chance of picking a mafia. if he picks 4 at least he's got a better chance.

do you agree?

3. Yesterday, 03:41 PM #321

Quote Originally Posted by Gerrez View Post
Feel free to suggest another idea that eliminates Mafia influence

As far as I'm concerned, anyone against adapting this (or a similar approach) must be considered potentially guilty.

this is big talk really and I feel its suspicious

I did the maths in game 3.

if it is a 4 way coin toss then the maths would suggest that there is a very good chance of one mafia being in there. 4 shots and a 4/15 change of mafia would have to be what 11/15 x 10/14 x 9/13 x 8/12 chance each time of hitting innocent... thats 24.1% that all are innocent.... ok its not as good as game 3 but i think having 4 names up is best


as you saying have sky decide which 4?

If thats all you are saying fair enough as it eliminates choice and makes it above board 4, perhaps limits mafia choice."



now thats what I said back to you greez. you said i never repied


4. Yesterday, 03:54 PM #327
Quote Originally Posted by moreinjuredthanowen View Post
an idea... but a bad one on day 1.

you are basically now putting all our eggs with sky and even though we know its fine what you are saying is lets all ignore whatever gut feelings etc and ask him to either pick one out of 15... which we don't know if he knows anything or at best 4 people himself.

what if he picks you for a joke

we've two masons who's options then are limited and the mafia can simply get in line especially if it has a lower risk to them and simply follow along and we get nowhere. should he tell the journo and detective what to do as well? the vigilante?

If we are both here day 3 and you are suggesting this I'd be in agreement to try and at least get someone to get behind and use their info at that point.



We'll see when he gets on what he's got to say.
Why is it a bad idea? None of you (you and I included) have no idea who is who. None of us have a reason for voting for anyone. But four of the fifteen players involved DO know who is innocent and guilty. Those four are able to influence what the rest of us do. That's the point!

If he picks me he picks me.


Quote Originally Posted by Nozzer View Post
Do you mean adopting?

Does it eliminate mafia influence though? Sure, Sky's innocent and would presumably act as such, but I would assume his instructions would be based on what he thinks having read the thead (or some of it at least)., so his thinking may be influenced by what the mafia say (same as anybody's). And all the mafia have to do to remain hidden is go along with the plan. It may put pressure on, it may not. But we could be just as well served by doing a random selection of votes.
If we're going for three or four random names, yes it eliminates Mafia influence.


Quote Originally Posted by moreinjuredthanowen View Post
this is big talk really and I feel its suspicious

I did the maths in game 3.

if it is a 4 way coin toss then the maths would suggest that there is a very good chance of one mafia being in there. 4 shots and a 4/15 change of mafia would have to be what 11/15 x 10/14 x 9/13 x 8/12 chance each time of hitting innocent... thats 24.1% that all are innocent.... ok its not as good as game 3 but i think having 4 names up is best


as you saying have sky decide which 4?

If thats all you are saying fair enough as it eliminates choice and makes it above board 4, perhaps limits mafia choice.
This is what f**s this game up. Anyone coming up with a suggestion gets shot down in flames any suggestion is ripped to pieces and anyone suggesting anything at all is automatically guilty. How the f** me suggesting leaving the decision entirely up to the known innocent is somehow portrayed as a sign of guilt god only knows. As I said before, anyone not willing to go with the idea of Sky dictating must be considering potentially guilty, its the only reason someone wouldn't be happy about it.


Quote Originally Posted by moreinjuredthanowen View Post
we could simply also pick names off the list in op using darts if you want...........
That's essentially what we're doing anyway!


I'm not normally this insistent as I know speaking out comes with consequences but I genuinely don't care if I get killed off as I have a boring role and I think watching on seeing people make t**ts of themselves would be more entertaining "


prob best to look at 327 exaclty for yourself but I felt you went off one one there then replied AGAIN

5. esterday, 04:01 PM #335

Quote Originally Posted by Gerrez View Post
Why is it a bad idea? None of you (you and I included) have no idea who is who. None of us have a reason for voting for anyone. But four of the fifteen players involved DO know who is innocent and guilty. Those four are able to influence what the rest of us do. That's the point!

If he picks me he picks me.


If we're going for three or four random names, yes it eliminates Mafia influence.


This is what f**s this game up. Anyone coming up with a suggestion gets shot down in flames any suggestion is ripped to pieces and anyone suggesting anything at all is automatically guilty. How the f** me suggesting leaving the decision entirely up to the known innocent is somehow portrayed as a sign of guilt god only knows. As I said before, anyone not willing to go with the idea of Sky dictating must be considering potentially guilty, its the only reason someone wouldn't be happy about it.


That's essentially what we're doing anyway!


I'm not normally this insistent as I know speaking out comes with consequences but I genuinely don't care if I get killed off as I have a boring role and I think watching on seeing people make t**ts of themselves would be more entertaining
look this is a bit of a reaction here.... I asked you a direct question

do you mean you want sky to pick 3/4 peopel to vote for.


why is it a reaction

1. you said first anyone not doing what you say is guilty.

2. "This is what f**s this game up. Anyone coming up with a suggestion gets shot down in flames any suggestion is ripped to pieces and anyone suggesting anything at all is automatically guilty. How the f** me suggesting leaving the decision entirely up to the known innocent is somehow portrayed as a sign of guilt god only knows. As I said before, anyone not willing to go with the idea of Sky dictating must be considering potentially guilty, its the only reason someone wouldn't be happy about it."

I did put a smiley after my comment about suspicious cos it was a joke. how come you react so much when i'm only trying to tease out the idea?

do you want sky to pick one person or 3/4 people?


I asked the same thing twice......



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Quote Originally Posted by Nozzer View Post
Not sure it is; you're assuming tht Sky's choices (whatever they may be) will be random. Most likely there will be some form of bias (either for good or for bad) in there.

I've not said that I wouldn't follow the plan, I'm just not sure it's any better than any other plan and that it's not necessarily as random as you think.

It also comes to nought if Sky doesn't come on in time...

P.S. For some reason you keep making me think of cornflakes and I have no idea why...
The randomness depends on Sky. He could use a number generator to pick the names, he could just pick names. Sure, it could be suggest that the latter wouldn't be entirely innocent as he could just pick the names but that doesn't make it selective since Sky doesn't know who is who. Therefore, its still random. The fact is, we do know the Mafia wouldn't have had a say and anyone not falling in line shows a sign of guilt (apart from possibly Biscan if he's been forced).


that leads back in a nice circle to my post 342 to bodnaki.

the end............


happy. we talked it out. sky never showed up! if he'd picked 4 names we could talk about this being an issue but he didn't.

 

good point.

 

Ok guys im going to stop ****ing about and put my thoughts up front and no more change today.

I said after hitting mafia i know who another is...

I have been working and just about to go bacj and my advisor minxy agrees....my next bullet is for....

Bod

 

I've just posted it for you.

the lot... we were having a discussion on it.. which i bolded you in just now. sorry but I was aksing you to clarify if it was 4 peoepl or one. I felt one was pointless and still do. It was moot at that stage unitl sky turn in which he did not so I think its quite clear what i said I wanted 4 up. I agreed it'd be a clean 4 too but we never went further.


now.........

If sky turned in today... what do we do. what does he know? if he gives us 3 folks to go on is it from reading all this or no? I say everyone make thier own mind up in the meantime and decide what to do with sky when it arises.

 

eh... doubt it...

 

Well done, you have caught me red handed

 

I'll take your word for it #lazy

 

Nope thats it instructions from her above.

 

right I HOPE this is ok for a 1pm update prior to lunch time rush

MITOs table updated with Swarbs' missed vote and Bodanki

Voting Table: (Order vertically is from first person voted to most recent person voted for, Order of votes by is first cast listed first, second listed second etc)
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Valley[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]mummy, nozzer, Bodanki[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]BRB[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]AFC, Swarbs, valley[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]mummy[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]mito[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Bodanki[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]brb[/td]
[/tr]

[/table]

not voted listed alphabetically: Billy, danilo. Gerrez, Lucaaas, RHC, Sky

Table of people with no votes: (listed alphabetically)
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]AFCFTW[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]

[tr]
[td]billy[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Danilo[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Gerrez[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]

[tr]
[td]Lucaaas[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]MITO[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Nozzer[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]RHC[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]sky[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]

[tr]
[td]Swarbs[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]No lynch[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

 

If that was the confusion that its ridiculous. Clearly i meant Sky picking three or four people and I said as much

If Sky turns in today then I guess we see what he says. He's got nearly a thousand comments to read though

 

is this like how mummy's tell little boys not to fry ants under a magnifying glass on summer hols or pull wings off butterflies... cos I get the feeling you are toying with us.

 

I vote Bodanki too

 

fine, we agree then we'll see what he says cos in the end he is still the one we know. If its confusion fine. it's not like i painted a target one yer back... not like nozzer

Ok lads.

i'll repeat.

I noticed nozzer voted for IBWT shortly before 10am then IBWt came on and sold us his load of horseshit. either Nozzer is inspired, is really unlucky it happened that way or it was a planned vote to get it in there.

Nozzer any comment, anyone else?

 

Been busy at work so far today, probably will be until after the vote as well, so likely will hardly be on.

Someone, I think MITO, mentioned about my voting for IBWT. To be honest, the original vote (before his "coming out") was more just to get the ball rolling, and obviously had no real base. Istill called it first though! That said, several of his comments didn't quite sit right, so I saw no need to change for most of the day. In the end, I only changed from him once there were enough other people on him to keep him in the mix, and I switched to put other people in the mix as well - first afc (who I said I didn't really suspect and was more a numbers thing), then BRB I think, then finally Valley (who I had previously said would be my preferred person to go in the mix). I kept my vote for Valley last night, and currently see no reason to switch.

Gerrez: I don't heavily suspect you by any means. There were just some vague circumstantial happenings, and in the absence of much else to go on, that's enough to raise you slightly out the crowd. I never once voted for you, for example.

I can understand Bod and afc's votes for BRB last night! Don't think that necessarily indicates mafia (which doesn't mean they're not).