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  1. originallambrettaman

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    Below is a statement from the Football Supporters Federation regarding the introduction of safe standing all football grounds, please sign up:

    The Football Supporters’ Federation has launched a petition – visit www.fsf.org.uk/safestanding - as part of our campaign for the introduction of safe standing areas in the top two divisions in England and Wales. We know some of you might think that signing a petition is a bit of a futile gesture, but the timing for the campaign is crucial.

    There is currently a bill going through Parliament which faces its second reading in a little under three months time, and for the first time in two decades the Sports Minister has agreed to look at the evidence on safe standing. We have a short timeframe to gather support and prove that there is a groundswell of opinion behind fans’ choice to stand at football in England and Wales. Within a week of launching the petition, nearly 10,000 fans added their voices to our campaign, but we need a great deal more support behind our cause. The more numbers that back our campaign, the stronger our case to the Government and football authorities will be.

    There is a great deal of nonsense spoken about standing by the mainstream media and football commentators, and we feel we are constantly fighting an uphill battle. The most common argument is that standing is inherently unsafe. If that is the case, why is it allowed in Leagues One and Two? If standing was truly unsafe, it would be outlawed not only in the lower leagues, but at horseracing, rugby, motorsport and concerts (some of which are held in all-seater football stadiums). Our position is that if standing is safe in the lower leagues, then it must be safe in the top two divisions. We find the idea that safety is dependent upon the quality of football played on the pitch as absolutely absurd, and logically flawed.

    Many opponents to standing mistakenly cite Hillsborough as a reason not to allow its introduction. Their argument is that a return to terraces means another Hillsborough disaster is inevitable. The tragic loss of lives in 1989 was not caused by standing; the Taylor Report primarily blamed the failure of police control. It did not ban standing, nor claim it was inherently unsafe. Furthermore, we are not calling for a reintroduction of terraces. Modern safe-standing areas in Germany feature convertible seats, with barriers between every row.

    The FSF’s Safe Standing Campaign is also not just about those who prefer to stand. By giving supporters the choice, we think that everyone benefits. Those who wish to stand can do so, while those who prefer to sit no longer have to worry about having their view blocked. Every week thousands of fans stand in front of their seats for large parts of the game, and attempts by the authorities to end this practice have failed. Fans are standing in ever greater numbers, and we think they should be able to do so in safely designed and managed areas where possible.

    The FSF does not propose that the stringent safety standards laid down in the Government’s Green Guide be abolished or weakened in any way, and nor are we suggesting that clubs should be forced to provide safe standing areas. Issues around cost and feasibility should be a matter for individual clubs and their fans, not for the government.

    If you agree with us that fans should have the choice to sit or stand at football, please add your name to the thousands already in favour of safe standing. Now’s the best chance we’ll have to make a difference. We, as football fans, have to stand up for ourselves.

    The FSF is the national supporters’ organisation for all football fans and represents more than 180,000 individual fans and affiliate members, such as supporters' clubs, throughout England and Wales. Once closed this petition will be handed to the relevant government and football authorities.

    The Football Supporters’ Federation is offering supporters’ organisations and fanzines the opportunity to have the Safe Standing Roadshow visit their club in the coming weeks and months. The roadshow is run by Jon Darch and supports the FSF’s Safe Standing Campaign by providing supporters with the opportunity to see a “rail seat” area in action.

    Fans can also come along and see the roadshow at the FSF’s FANS PARLIAMENT on July 9th in London. Registration is free from www.fsf.org.uk

    The unit consists of four ‘rail seats’ (from a batch made for VfB Stuttgart in Germany) mounted on a platform in the design of a small grandstand PICTURES HERE. It measures 2m x 2.3m and can be set up outside or indoors (subject to double-door access). By standing at the rail seats on the roadshow unit club executives, safety officers, local councillors and MPs can get a genuine feel of what ‘safe standing’ would be like if such seats were allowed to be installed in a designated standing area at your ground.

    The roadshow recently made its first appearance at , where a representative group of fans indicated clearly to the club’s chief executive that they felt supporters should have the choice to sit or stand and that a significant number would personally like the opportunity to stand. A report on that event, including a link to the independent minutes, is available CLICK HERE. The unit has since made appearances in the North East, Scotland and Merseyside - read a report of that event CLICK HERE- and is being lined up to visit Arsenal, Stoke City and Portsmouth in the coming weeks.

    If you would like to hold a similar event at your club (or arrange a private demonstration behind closed doors for your club executives), please contact FSF member Jon Darch (email below), who is running the roadshow. He’ll be happy to arrange a suitable date with you.

    If you have any further question please email Jon: [email protected]

    Statement - http://www.hullcityindependent.net/?...ws&news_id=624
     
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  2. Gutierrez's Right Boot

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    Id love to see the seats ripped out of the gallowgate end, it would massively increase capacity and the atmosphere would rock under that metal roof
     
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  4. GrumpyTooth

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    signed up
     
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  5. The problem with this is that people pay a lot of money for a seat in the stadium, and they pay the money so they're guaranteed the seat/view which they are happy with, where as if it's all standing it's just who ever gets their first gets to choose where they stand, and it will mean a rush to get into the stadium, which could lead to fighting and hostility within the fan base.

    If you leave your seat for a piss no one else can take it, where as if it's standing and you leave your spot for a piss, someone could take your spot before you get back and say "i didn't see your name on it", and it could lead to fighting or arguments breaking out with our fans.

    I like the idea of standing and getting more people in the ground, but i just can't see it working.
     
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  6. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Then get a seat in the seated sections?!

    Also, I beleive with safe standing - there are still seats so you are still getting a specific place.
     
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  7. Ah i see, so it's your decision whether to stand or sit, so you'll still get your spot in the ground but you can stand also. I understand now.
     
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    Thats what they do in Germany - I saw Leverkusen play and you had a fold up seat, really really good!
     
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  9. Good good, aslong as i get to keep my spot.
     
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    If you following the link in the statement there's a picture of how Germany's safe standing works and as yoshiyella has said, there is still a seat, it just has a barrier around it to make standing safe so you still get a ticket for a specific place.

    This isn't about a cost saving to fans, or getting more fans into the ground, it's about improving the atmosphere in grounds, which has declined fairly dramatically since grounds were made all seater(some grounds more than others).
     
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    I've just realised that when I posted this to each board, the hyperlink only worked on the first one I posted, so no-one can actually link to see what safe standing looks like. It looks like this:

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    You buy a ticket just as you would for a seat(there's even a seat in each place), but you're able to stand there and it no more dangerous than having a seat.
     
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  12. Gutierrez's Right Boot

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    And if you gettired or at half time you have a seat can someone explain the problem
     
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    good idea, but do you remember that one petition that worked? me neither.
     
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  14. Gutierrez's Right Boot

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    worth a try tho
     
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  15. I want curly hair too

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    I like the idea
    Do you think it would make a big difference in ticket pricing?
     
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  16. Gutierrez's Right Boot

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    not at Arsenal it wont
     
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  17. Colly NUFC

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    Signed up ages ago and hope it goes through. In all honesty since if it did happen it'd most likely be behind a goal (Bayern Munich style) I'd probably keep my own seat in the East, but legal standing areas for away trips would be fantastic.

    Regards ticket prices, the company thay makes them has a separate website (which I'm really struggling to find now...) that shows potential customers (i.e. club chairmen) how you can make more money with cheaper tickets with the greater volume of fans. I'd be very surprised if many places lowered prices though, maybe Blackburn or Wigan who want more fans in, but demand for our standing area would be huge, I'd be half tempted to raise prices!
     
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  18. I want curly hair too

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    I wouldn't expect German-type prices where they're like 15 euros or something stupid but you know, going down from £35 to maybe £20 would be decent
     
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