Swansea v. Arsenal match thread

Yes it was, but what was far more damaging was Bony's incredibly poor pass, which in fairness to Arsenal they capitalised on with great pace, look at Rangel's defending in that scramble to stop the goal, no one came out of it smelling of roses in my view, and it was good to see Monk take Bony off for some poor moments, there was a great opportunity for him to bury a goal, but he scuffed his chance. Bony has many great attributes, but he still has to polish up on his finishing..............

 

finishing is bonys main downfall, that side of his game needs to improve if he has any aspirations of playing for a big club..

 

Think its in his head at the mo' Dai, he just seems to be snatching at the ball. Trying too hard maybe?

 

This is a disconnecting piece of rambling if ever I've read any ..... a center forward is berated for a poor pass made 80 ****ing yards from goal with several players goal side ... and ends with "still has to polish up on his finishing". Why don't we blame him for the seagulls taking a crap on HJ's car.

Then we have a go at Rangel ... who was actually where he should have been but trying to deal with an overloaded situation .... which was caused by .... Taylor giving up the chase.

 

yes you have a point..

 

Not anywhere near your ramblings on Taylor, the whole issue stemmed from Bony, what part about his lack of ability when giving the ball to the opposition at such a critical moment don't you understand?

 

So was that the only time we give the ball away. I am sure we did give the ball away on other occassions and in lot more dangerous positions, but they didnt score from them. I think Obviosly giving the ball away didn't or doesn't help umfortuneately we can't keep the ball for 90 mins, but he is in no way to blame for the goal. Taylor gave up the chase, In all fairness Carroll did try to bring him down. We were just to slow to react and didn't get sufficient bodies back. But to put the goal down to Bony is well lets say a tad unfair.

 

You can lose the ball anywhere on the pitch its down then to the defenders to do their jobs which I'm afraid as I've previously posted Taylor didn't . Carroll took a card for at least trying to slow the play down .I'm not suggesting that Taylor had a bad game far from it I thought he linked up well with Jeff but defenders defend .

 

Sorry you hadn't posted when I started my ramblings

 

I think you may be looking at it in a different context to me Yankee.

What I saw was Taylor was knackered at that point in the game, because up to that point he'd run from box to box to support Monterro, all over the pitch to support midfield, then back again to carry out his defensive duties.

If you go back, 15 minutes before their goal is enough, and count the number of times he'd run almost the length of the field, to the opposition box (eight), to midway in Arsenals half (four) to just past halfway (four), remembering that on each occasion he had to run back to defend you can see that he covered more yards than any on the pitch.

I cant find a stat unfortunately buddy, sorry, but do what I suggest and just run the game back a bit and see how much further he ran than anyone.

That's why I'm pretty sure he didn't just give up, I think he was knackered imo.

Saying that he's returned from injury is an excuse or a part plea for understanding shows a lack of understanding on your part Yankee.

He IS returning from injury, that's a fact, not a plea for understanding. His injury was almost career ending, another fact, 2 years out of first team football, another. The combined effect of such an injury would seriously challenge any ones ability to walk without a limp, let alone their ability to run, turn sharply, tackle and play football and perform at the highest level.

Other than the obvious, lack of confidence, the main issue with a bad leg break is that it leaves one leg much weaker than the other adversely effecting your pace, balance, agility and is a double whammy on your confidence because it feels weird just walking.

The only cure for all the issues this break attacks your mind with is to train harder than ever before and hopefully 1) your mind stops differentiating; feeling the difference, in your legs, synchronise 2) the power in your leg muscles begin to equalise. Rehab is hard work, very painful and takes time.

There are no excuses, only reasons. Taylor's injury is the reason for his inadequacies, Taylor's rehab is the reason for his continued improvement, no excuses at all.

 

Players lose possession DPJ, it's what happens on a football field unless God, JC and the Pope happen to be starting the game with a flock of ****ing saints and angels. When it happens 80 yards from your own goal and it ends up in your net despite having several of your team mates between you and the goal when you make the supposed Almighty ****ing Cockup ... then somebody in the crowd tries to cut your balls of for it, while a team mate who's duty it is to defend decides to become a spectator on the play and gets a "luvey dovey poor little boy" from the same spectator ..... I don't think I'm the one that doesn't understand how the game is played or the critical moments in the conceding of this goal. Lack of ability on the part of Bony is not even remotely the issue.

BTW, Ramsey suffered a double fracture - tibia and fibula - of his leg, not his ankle (Feb 2010). Ramsey returned to action some 9 months later for Arsenal reserves and after a series of short loans to Championship clubs to regain fitness, resumed for Arsenal first team on Mar 2011. Now, I do NOT want to minimize Taylor's injury, but at this point, comparing Taylor to Ramsey, some 2 years after his injury, is not only a tad lame on your part, but a tad excessive. If he isn't ready to play at the expected level by now he shouldn't be on the field. I don't think Taylor is not match fit. I don't think he lacks ability .... but he apparently can't decide whether he wants to be part of the play or watch it. This I think is a problem and has nothing to do with his injury.

 

I hear what you're saying in my first highlight ... but Taylor was not doubled over after the goal gasping for air, which he would have been had he been that tired and put in a full "sprint" to get back.

I disagree with your last point - second highlight - see my comments in the reply to DPJ. He's over two years past his injury and well over one year past this return to active playing. By this point he's gone through two pre-season training periods. He is being selected as the starting LB. If he's not in condition to play then Monk must take responsibility for either not having him properly conditioned or not have a viable alternative on hand. If his past injury is limiting his range of motion and his ability to sprint then we have another problem - I don't think this is the problem, otherwise again Monk / Club have failed to acquire a fully fit and functioning LB. We sent Davies to Spurs - ergo Taylor must be considered fully fit and capable. I'm looking at what happened not through the prism of a player recovering from injury but through the prism of a player that should by now be fully fit and ready enough to permit a bona fide Prem LB and international to leave the club.

I will also add that Taylor may or may not have made a difference in the goal, but we'll never know because he chose to become a spectator. It's the switching off I don't get and I don't like.

 

I would like to thank Taylor for his part of our excellent defensive record this season, where it stand to reason that as an ever present he has been instrumental in helping us having one of the best defences this season bar two clubs in the entire league.

I am sure all Swansea fans are extremely grateful for your impact since coming into the team which coincides with a dramatic improvement at the back that has not gone unnoticed in certain corners of the media and by the vast majority of Swans fans.

To be part of a four man defence whilst being the most involved defender this far eleven games in shows that you have been extremely important to our proud record of five clean sheets, and I would also like to thank you for the amazing upturn in the national team's massive defensive improvement that coincides with your reinstatement to left back for the Wales senior squad.

That is all.

 

Credit when credits due, Taylor has proved a lot of fans wrong including me with his performance since his return. He is getting more reliable with every game and deserves praise for that,

 

I wish you two would just kiss and be done with it.

 

I'm surprised there's a debate about Taylor. I thought it would be about Rangel. He gave away the ball on numerous occasions last night.

 

Yankee, I think you're being over-analytical with the Taylor thing. Perhaps it's what happens if you live afar and replay things over and over. If you'd been in the stadium and witnessed the fantastic victory first-hand I doubt you'd give a toss.

I don't think you're going to agree with me though

 

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Agree and have said so, why Yankee is focusing on Taylor who has made great strides this season is beyond me, and I'd like to remind Yankee that Taylor spent all of last season on the BENCH, so he has not had the large amounts of time that Yankee is alluding to, to regain match fitness, he has had just this season!...........

 

Oh come off it, just look at the position of all our players when Bony dropped that clanger, it exposed us very badly to the counter which Arsenal took advantage of, I can't remember such a situation as that, anyway our response was great to win the game, why we are pulling Taylor up though for Bony dropping the whole team in it, is strange.