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  1. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    The Knives are out for Rodgers at the moment, I created that Rodgers Out thread a few weeks ago and at the time most disagreed with the point of the thread. Again I would like to point out that it was a "what if" scenario and not calling for his head.

    Since then Rodgers position has actually come into question and there is now a genuine pressure on his role at the club.

    In my opinion he is a talented young manager and if he stays in the role with the right people behind him he will do well at Liverpool.

    So to my point, Brendon Rodgers is an arrogant man who very much believes in his football philosophy not always a bad thing but at this point in his career he needs the right people behind him to provide honest opinion and experience at the highest level. Rodgers doesn't have this in Mike Marsh and Colin Pascoe, he has also got rid of a lot of staff from in the background. Could this be very much a big part of the problem at this moment?

    Surely someone should have given him better advice before the Real Madrid game and then again before putting more pressure on himself by fielding that team v Chelsea.
     
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  2. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    :emoticon-0159-musicWe want Klopp, we want Klopp :emoticon-0159-music <laugh>

    i don't think he has long to be honest, and i would not be surprised if there has already been talk behind his back of what to do.
     
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  3. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Klopps having a shocking season tbh. In a two team league. Bottom of the table.

    You sure hes the answer? Hea doing far worse than rodgera, van gaal, wenger and zombie.
     
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  4. Klopp's Mannschaft

    Klopp's Mannschaft Well-Known Member

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    I disagree tbh. How much 'experience' does someone need to recognise under performing players and drop them, to never play Lucas and Gerrard in the same team or starting Balotelli (never mind not buying him) upfront on his own ?

    There are some things I will never know much about, for example, like training scheduling, top level fitness and match preparation with league, cup and CL games in a week, but even I could tell him the first three problems and I have what you would call zero experience. I don't buy the lack of experience excuse some times (same as with players not keeping hold of the ball when you're 1 up with only a few minutes left, so they shoot it from 40yards or long pass. That's not lack of experience, it's stupidity. Again, even I would know to keep hold of it.) because I think it's an easy one.

    I blame Rodger's stubbornness more than anything. He's determined to make some transfers work - Balotelli and Lovren - so that he doesn't look like he's made a bad decision, he's determined to show that he's a genius in playing Gerrard at DM despite his great passing but lack of defensive sense or legs and thinks he'd be looked at negatively if he changes it up. He changes his formations and tactics much less this season too, so determined to show that his plan from last year is brilliant and will come good again, despite last season's being fitted around players we no longer have available. I could argue that he's grown complacent too, like I called at the start of the season, in that our players waltzed on to the pitch early on in the season and look uninterested very much different to last season where we were out the gates at full pelt, chasing down every ball and fighting as underdogs or under rated. We walked on like we'd already got the game in the bag, got our deserved defeats and now we're on a negative spiral for confidence and still without the passion to pull us out (Chelsea and Madrid aside). I blame Rodgers for that, personally.
     
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  5. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    not sure to be honest, it was a tongue in cheek comment which you probably know, but if this keeps up for much longer then i would say yes if we have a chance, he is a very respected manager throughout europe and can probably attract some big names for us, maybe it could be what both of us need to give each other a kick up the harris.

    i hope Brendan sorts it sharpish as he is young enough if he gets it right we can benefit long term and i would like him to stay, but this constant shambles he keeps picking each week which is fecking obvious to everyone apart from him, is going to be his downfall unless he sorts his ego out sharpish.
     
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  6. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    This 100%. Firstly he wants to protect his reputation so that if it doesn't work out at Anfield he's still highly regarded. Secondly he wants to be the wonder-manager who transformed Gerrard's later career turning him into a new player and in Balotelli made a thoroughbred race winner out of a rag and bone man's banger. At the moment that cliché about square pegs and round holes keeps coming to mind. The more this goes on though the more last season looks even more like brilliant serendipity where Rodgers had minimal tactical or managerial input since the style fell into place so naturally.
     
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  7. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Sometimes as a manager it's difficult to see what's staring you in the face, a good number 2 and even beyond that is essential to success. As much as agree that Rodgers at times is so arrogant someone who can point out his errors and make him look at things in a different light may be the key to us moving on from this slump.

    I've said many times that I think we have good players, yes there are one or two obvious holes but there are the players there and beyond in the reserves or on loan, any manager coming in would have a fantastic squad and would IMO only ave to buy 2 players.
     
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  8. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Sometimes a young manager needs an experienced head alongside him for the tough times.

    Problem is, I think Rodgers has such self confidence (has it's plusses and negatives) that he wouldn't think to bring anyone like that in, as proven by his comments we don't need a defensive coach.

    Well if you don't think we do, then please explain why we've been so bad defensively the last 3 years.
     
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  9. jaffaSlot

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    Dortmund are still fantastic in the champions league. He has had terrible bad luck with injuries and best players leaving year after year. That being said, I don't think he would come here.
     
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  10. BBFs Unpopular View

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    You were calling for him last season when Moyes was floundering <laugh>
     
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    Rodgers should not be sacked, f** no, f** this merrygoround of managers. We need to sort out being able to score f**ing goals. We keep losing by an odd goal, even v the well playing chavs and Real.

    Balotelli being signing and Studge injured has cripplied us for f**s sake, we have a spear with no tip.

    We're gonna have to play these new players and that means dropping points. Cout and Sterling were nothing in season before last when we came 7th. They vastly improved, even Suarez did, Rodgers really fixed his linkup play, the new players need that chance. It may well mean not making top 4
     
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  12. Treble

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    I would say more like a cock with no balls <ok>
     
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    Makes no sense<whistle>
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    I'll give you a clue... Rodgers :biggrin:
     
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  15. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

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    I admire Rodgers philosophy and ambition and do believe it can be the way forward.

    But his team selection this season has been awful and actually goes against his own philosophy.

    There is some thing going on that is not right. I really cant understand the constant selection of certain players and cant help but think that some one else in the club is pressuring him to pick them.

    Is it that Balotelli's, Lovren's and Johnson's profiles make more money from media than Borini, Toure and Manquillo?
     
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  16. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Don't take the piss out of our LuvGonzo like that!
     
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  17. Very much this <laugh>
     
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  18. Jürgenmeiʃter

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    Do you look at it that we only lost by 1 goal to two of the best teams in European football (although we obv lost by one to Newcastle so not sure how much you can read into V Real + Chelsea) at the min or do you look at all the same mistakes BR is making. Time after time, everyone can see it why cant he
     
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  19. jenners04

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    other way to be honest sadly, both real and chelsea could have gone up a gear if needed, problem is can we as we look toothless and its same old mistakes being made.

    its obvious to everyone apart from one person sadly. just hope he sorts this ****e and sharpish.
     
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  20. Jürgenmeiʃter

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    Stupid site keeps signing me out and getting error messages


    I dont think he should go but he really needs to stop picking the wrong players. Its been going on for ages now and its getting us no ****ing points. Why is he being so thick about it? Its highly annoying to say the least

    Look at this
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    Look at it, what the hell is going on there? Its simple basic stuff ffs

    Yet no, BR says we dont need a defensive coach
     
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