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Will there ever be a budget cap?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by BrightLampShade, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    There's must be more manufacturers lined up waiting to get in for 2016 or something. They seem intent on letting some teams vanish.
     
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  2. TomTom94

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    Isn't that basically what happened last time we let new teams in ten years ago?
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Then the manufacturers leave.... and so on and so on...
     
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  4. Max Whiplash

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    So Horner says "I'm alright, Jack", and everyone who's not ok should just shut up. It's easy for him to say that with his sweetheart deals from Bernie and Mateschitz's billions. So, according to him it's the poor teams complaining that's damaging F1, not the corruption and unfair distribution of money; total empathy bypass - twat.
     
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  5. DHCanary

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    I don't think you guys are being entirely fair on Horner and Wolff, they do have a point. F1 as a whole provides the teams with significant income, you don't go around making your "boss" look bad. That said, I think both Horner and Wolff are missing the fact that the smaller teams have tried to address the issues as they see them in more subtle ways, but the lack of success they've had has forced them into more overt statements of intent. But both have said they they feel the issues need addressing, but reading between the lines I think they'd rather CVC/Bernie increase the prize fund to help the smaller teams, rather than redistribute the current prize fund. Seeing as Red Bull/Mercedes preferred action is likely to hurt CVC's bottom line, it's not going to be an easy thing for them to acquiesce to.
     
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  6. Smithers

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    The problem with Horner is that when he entered as a 'new team' (which it wasnt) he had a massive budget in a period of more stable regulations. I simply dont think he can equate to the struggles a small team face. Same as Wolff, hes been in F1 for 5 minutes, made a fortune on his Williams shares and runs a manufacturers team with an unlimited budget.

    The people who should be looking into these issues are people with experience like Frank Williams, Peter Sauber etc..
     
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  7. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Funny thing is if Red Bull are not winning then they would pull out and he would be out of a Job. What would he say then?
     
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  8. allsaintchris.

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    So all 3 teams who came into F1 in 2010 have folded within 4 years.

    Well done F1.
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    And one never made it to the grid, partly assisted by Bernie doing his bit to put off any potential investment.

    Shame on F1. Bunch of greedy cretins!!!
     
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  10. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    If Sauber counts then they are still in
     
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  11. TomTom94

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    And they're seeking new investment and pay drivers, so...
     
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  12. allsaintchris.

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    No, I consider them established from 1993. The BMW thing was just a distraction!
     
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  13. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    but technically they lost their place on the grid and had to reapply to enter F1. They took the spot opened by Toyota.
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

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    I count it as an example of what happens to a team when a manufacturer gets bored and leaves them high and dry.
     
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    The whole situation is ridiculous. why are revenues split up is poorly, Ferrari should never get money for simply turning up and the top teams shouldn't get money or simply being top teams.
    I think a third of the revenues available should be split equally and then the rest should depend on where you finish in the constructors
    And Christian Horner claiming the smaller team criticising publicly is very narrow minded especially seen as he said it's not a job for bigger teams to lose revenue to support smaller teams. If anything that is hiring the sport more than anything.
     
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    PS Of course he doesn't like the idea because it threatens to scupper his plan of getting rid of Caterham and Marussia.
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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  20. Mr.B

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    Would have been nice if Autosport had given some additional insights for any readers that don't already know. For example "the 900m that is paid to the teams is distributed according to a formula that attempts to reward success and 'value to F1'. But the formula has been often criticised for reinforcing an uneven playing field - giving the most money to the richest teams, and relatively little money to the teams that have least to spend."

    Also "When Bernie Ecclestone ran his own team, the sport was very different, the technologies were much cheaper, and wasn't being run by, er... Bernie Ecclestone."

    I suppose most of their readers will know those things already. I guess I just needed to vent. :emoticon-0116-evilg
     
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