If we're just allocating fair representation of every human category, why not midgets and people who have eyebrows that join together?
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If we're just allocating fair representation of every human category, why not midgets and people who have eyebrows that join together?
Football is all about results , thats why John Barnes isn't a manager any more not because of his skin colour
Not offensive, merely posting a question.
As for 'offensive', you could reference virtually all your anti-CTWD posts; all your posts that have been/are offensive to those posters who don't support your BROWN-NOSING-ALLAM point-of-view.
Go on - why don't you?
'Let him who is without sin, etc, etc.....
Thats not true PLT.
Before the Rooney rule came into effect in the NFL minority head coaches were at 6%. Just three years after the Rooney rule minority head coaches were at 22%. No one here doubts that it has worked.
One can certainly debate wither or not each coach might have been hired individually but the statistics do not back that assertion up as a whole. Calling the Rooney rule bulls**t is ignoring the facts. The Rooney rule has been quite successful in the US. There are even calls for it to be strengthened here by requiring at least one minority candidate to be interviewed outside of the organization. Current rules require only one interview which can be done from current employees.
We needed this rule. A bunch of white owners were only hiring whites for a particular job. Year after year after year it was a whites only hiring spree. Something had to be done because it was not a situation where the best people were being hired it was a situation where only whites where being hired.
Absolutely not and the facts do not prove it. As soon as it was forced the %'s changed. They were not required to hire non whites only interview them. So it was clearly not tokenism and it can not be discrimination as the hirings were not forced they could still hire who they wanted.
Look the Rooney rule is an American thing and came about because of long term racism and discrimination in US sports. It isn't debatable, and that discrimination has occurred in everyone's life that posts on this forum not just the older folk. I can easily remember white only golf courses, places the PGA tour couldn't go because there were pro golfers who were non white. This rule and others had to come into effect to stop blatant discrimination. It was a process involving multiple generations and multiple sports and multiple rule changes the most obvious was the integration of Baseball.
You dont want to do it because you dont see it as a problem thats your thing. The Rooney rule worked for us, and it was clearly needed.
You dont want to do it because you dont see it as a problem thats your thing. The Rooney rule worked for us, and it was clearly needed.
'A bunch of white owners' ---- its about time a black guy dug deep and bought a football club - lets have some positive discrimination and lets see the colour of your money
Its partially a function of how much it costs to by a team. An NFL team is probably going to run you well into the billions of dollars. Remember the Clippers who no one watches, they sold for like 2.7 billion. There is only one African American billionaire in the US and thats Opera. You could be the majority state holder in a team but that still is going to run you into the hundreds of millions and the next richest african-american is tiger woods at 600 million so you can see that the billionares club is almost exclusively white in the US.
If the owners are racist, they'll just interview one black guy and employ someone else. The Rooney rule has no power beyond a single tokenist gesture.
Insisting that they do that one interview against their will isn't tackling the real problem, which there might well be in America, but I don't think there is in English football.
Insisting that they do that one interview against their will isn't tackling the real problem, which there might well be in America, but I don't think there is in English football.
Really?
The Championship, League One, and League Two have 72 teams with 2 minority managers. That is .028%
How do you explain that?
The black population of the UK is around 3.0%. There isn't an issue in the UK regarding coaches who come from an ethnic minority background. Managers and coaches are hired on merit, and if they're not good enough, they don't get hired.
Im not going to sit here and call your system racist but a system that employees .028% minority head coaches in the 3 leagues below the PL seems pretty freaking racist.
America has a long history of this type of systematic racism starting with the Jim Crow south. These types of things like only hiring whites for particular jobs even when you said you were hiring the best people were extremely common and have persisted until today. The idea that such things no longer occur is laughable.
13% of the UK is non-white, 30% of English footballers are non white yet non-whites hold only .028% of manager jobs in the 3 levels below the PL. Clearly they are not just hiring on merit unless you think that non-whites are unable to do the job, which is in itself racism.
The biggest issue is the small percentage of black players who take their coaching badges, of those that have several have been given an opportunity, though unfortunately, so far, not many have made a very good job of it, but I'm sure that will change in time.
Liam Rosenior and Tom Huddlestone are both currently taking their coaching badges, I think both have the potential to be decent managers and will be given an opportunity when the time comes.
David James, who's just embarking on a managerial career, said this last year...
Former England goalkeeper David James claims the shortage of black managers in the Premier League is not a race issue but a question of quality.
James, who won the last of his 53 England caps in 2010, fears the positive discrimination of a 'Rooney's Rule', whereby clubs must consider black managers for any vacancy, papers over the cracks.
Speaking in a wide-ranging interview with Dubai-based newspaper Sport 360, James said: 'Having been on two FA coaching courses, A Licence and B Licence, there weren’t many ethnic coaches, black or other, on the courses.
'And, if you look at the ones who have been sacked – the highlighted examples of there being a glass ceiling – well they’ve been bloody bad managers, so why should you give them a job?'
There are presently five black managers in the 92-club English professional game; Chris Hughton, Chris Powell, Paul Ince, Edgar Davids and Chris Kiwomya.
Of those, the most successful is Hughton, currently enjoying a second stint in the Premier League, with Norwich.
James adds: 'He's decent at what he does and that's the problem – the standard of black managers in England isn’t good enough to demand these positions.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nt-jobs-theyre-good-enough.html#ixzz3IDEpzaae