Mafia # 4 sign up thread

Count me in guys.....
Astro, are you gonna be a good boy this time?

 

i like it too.

 

Hosting it means you can't piss me off with stupid accusations

 

Count me in for now... May have to drop out depending on workload that week. I can't host this time though- don't have time for that. Are you hosting MITO? Is Astro? Or someone else?

I thought the free masons worked well. Allowing Mafia/KGB to specify who would recruit ahead of time- was an oversight of mine. I allowed it because I didn't specify they couldn't in the original rules. I agree... shouldn't be allowed to nominate someone until AFTER they lose someone.

From town's perspective- varying up if one team or two keeps things interesting.
From role perspective- more people get to have roles if more than one mafia team.

I think variety is good. If we do multiple teams I would recommend that we try alternating who can kill.

Odd nights- Mafia team 1. Even nights- Mafia team 2 (KGB or whoever).

I'm a big fan of the private discussion pages for Mafia/Free Masons, etc. Especially when have more than two people it helps them all communicate.

Also, it's fun when town to go back and reread when game is over... what were the Mafia thinking.

Yeah... there was a certain ill discipline last game that kind of ruined the tone of the game compared to the previous two. Also as far as roles go- they weren't always used the most wisely. I'm not sure how to remedy this.

When I've hosted on here I've done random assignments of roles. There is no reason why whoever hosts Mafia 4 can't hand pick roles- or do a semi-random assignment. How roles are distributed is entirely up to whoever hosts.

I like vampires! Not the sissy touchy-feely vampires from twilight mind you! If you're opposed to undead- a variant of Vampire Rules mafia game is to use "Cult".
Start out with a cult leader, same thing as a Vampire Lord, they have chance to convert (recruit) each night. The Cult of Derek Asamoah has a good ring to it...

Could also do an asymmetric two bad teams. One Cult Leader/Vampire Lord vs Mafia. Mafia starts out with advantage of numbers- but Vampire/Cultist gets to recruit indefinitely and alternate days.
(trying to convert Mafia would lead in killing instead of conversion though).

How about the dead (townies not bad guys) have their own private discussion board where they can discuss who to vote for. Only count the first (townie) dead's vote (to make it easy on host) - and it acts like a silent vote. Living don't get to see how the dead vote... their vote is revealed via Ouija board by the town at nightfall!

I think that would be hard to enforce- and some people legitimately can't.



I think we need to scrap the "2" kills max by Mafia Assassins. It results in the game slowing to a crawl once they've used them up. Give them unlimited kills.
Also- if we did Mafia 3's model of
Mafia Godfather, Recruiter, Assassin... I think the Godfather should have some ability. Perhaps not until the others in his team die though.

 

Yeah, stop the jerk reaction after you make a last second vote change

 

Ouija board vote

I was about to post that the Godfather position needs defining as it was a bit pointless, maybe he inherits the assassin and/or recruiter abilities if they are killed so acts like a backup for the mafia powers and is actually valuable

First you need to decide what basic game you want in terms of number of teams though

 

Off forum pages: these worked well but you can't access them from a phone

The bad tone: I'm not going to argue against this but I will say I don't think it ruined or affected the game that much, maybe for half an hour of it but that's it. I was the one that called Magic but we were on the same team and we tried to use it to our advantage. Whether it worked or not is another matter but Magic went under the radar as a result.

Cult leader game: I like this.

- Start with one Mafia who is effectively the Don
- Only the Don can recruit
- The team can be no more than two members
- Only the recruited member can assassinate
- They may recruit or kill each night
- If the Don dies, the other member takes over the reigns.

Obviously, there would have to be a limits otherwise its impossible for them to lose. Maybe they only get five recruits if its a fifteen player plus game? #justathought


Edit: two mafia teams, each with a maximum of three recruits and two assassinations?

Game of fifteen starts with thirteen townies and two Dons. Each Don can effectively take five innocents away from the town (assuming they don't pick the same person or try to recruit from the other mafia team). Worst case scenario it leaves four townies untouched but eight of the ten recruited / killed will be dead.

 

The off forum pages were actually handy and were good that did t have to keep clearing pms. We used mixture of both as Gerrez says from phone it's easier to use pm but on comp he forum is good idea.

Also very fun to re read through!

Mafia don/godfather needs something. It's meant to be the best position in the team but I had zero powers so was in fact the lease useful.

Maybe being able to get the fallen members power for a sweet period of time etc.

 

No Lynch vote is good. Technically it is part of the standard game. My fault for not making that clear in previous games.
Cop and Heavy are both good ideas. I think there are ways (if you are a forced innocent) to make it obvious you are forced without saying as much though... but that's OK.

Could have Cop and Detective roles. Cop detains people. Detective investigates.

a) I'll help where I can, but can't commit to too much- international break coming at bad timing for me.
b) http://www.quicktopic.com/mytopics <---- If you sign up for an account (free) you can make as many Private boards as you like. Unless you publish the link they are not searchable by google or any other means. Just PM a link to the private boards to the right people. You don't have to sign up to post to private boards (only to create them). If you do create an account though with them, there are advantages (you get a star by your name proving it is you and it logs every topic you have posted on- making it easier to navigate and find old topics).
c) stories and pics are not needed. Fun, but just fluff.

I would suggest if no-lynch wins, even if only gets 2 votes... there is no-lynch.

However, just in case something like last time happens where forum has technical difficulties, we need to agree on a quorum (2/3rds) - wherein - if 2/3rds of people fail to make vote of any kinds (not even no-lynch) during the day then the day is extended 24hrs. As long as 2/3rds of people manage to get in to post/cast vote- night falls at scheduled time.

Have to be careful not to make journalist too strong (or balance Mafia accordingly) - instant results to everyone is very powerful- hence the delay for the journalist in Mafia 3.

As far as balancing goes. Traditionally- in a one team mafia game.
# Mafia should = square root of # of all players.

If you make more strong roles in one team you will need to give the other more strong roles too... or extra numbers.
Journalist is a very strong role (even with 24hr delay for posting). Not sure how powerful the Cop role you suggested will work in game. Probably not as powerful as Detective from previous games.

 

What about a Judge role? If the lynch votes are tied, the judge votes who dies. This could be done privately or the Judge is protected from being assassinated. Obviously the role would have to start out innocent but maybe they could be recruited? the latter would mean the role would have to remain a secret

 

Depends on your browser. It works with Chrome which is a free download if you don't mind using Chrome. I think it's the stock Samsung web browser people had problems accessing the Quick Topic pages from.

Usually Vampire rules (Cult Leader) works like this.


Start out with One Vampire Lord (Vampire Count/ Cult Leader/ Prophet / Whatever you want to call it)

If there are a lot of players he starts out with a Vampire on his team too (cultist).
Once the Vampire Lord is killed- the Vampires (or cultists) can no longer recruit ANYONE or perform any night time activities. However, his FIRST NIGHT target will get converted BEFORE lynching (every other night afterwards) - and if he is killed on night one (only on night one) his convert becomes the new Vampire Lord (prophet).

After night one- two ways of how the converts work. Either a) Host flips a coin. Heads- target dies. Tails- target is converted and joins team. OR I've seen odd nights results in conversion. Even nights results in killing (this removes the random factor).

 

haha, that wasn't me that was afc, in the last game atleast.
I think I accused you stupidly in Mafia 2 tho

Glad you are hosting tbh mate, your, shall we say, generous attention to statistical analysis and order will stand you in good stead as a host.

I think the old staples should be in, Journalist, Cop, maybe this time though, give the Don (or leader of the bad guys in whatever guise he will be known) an ability, as the Dons were a little peeved last time that they were about as useful as a limp dick at an orgy.

Like the idea of a Mafia Heavy who can coerce people into voting for someone else without their identity being known, sounds very much like what the real mafia would do, so hope that idea goes in.

For Mafia folk I would go with:

Don: Not sure what ability they could have
Mafia Assassin: 2 Kills for the whole game
Mafia Recruiter: Same as before, gets 1/2 recruits per game
Mafia Heavy: Can coerce voters into voting for whoever he wants
Mafia Bodyguard: Can protect one person, mafia or townie, per round

That seems pretty good to me. Still not sure what we could get the Don to do. Maybe corrupt a cop?
Maybe make it so if the cops identity is revealed, the Don can buy him off, I dont know.

For townies:

Cop
Vigilante
Journalist

I hope we get a decent vigilante this time as well, in both games I have played they have either killed a townie before being offed themselves, or have been inactive.

 

For getting people to join. Wouldn't hurt to send a PM to anyone who was involved in a previous game.

Maf 3 was:
RHC
MITO
Gerrez
Astro
IBWT
Magic
Hash
Swarbs
AFCFTW
Bodanki
BRB
Sky
Lucaaas
Billy
Danilo.


Maf 2 was
1 Milk
2 Nozzer
3 Minxy
4 Danilo
5 afcftw
6 hash
7 lucaas
8 ibwt
9 billy can
10 gerrez
11 magic
12 bodanki
13 Sky
14 RHC
15 Astro


Maf 1 was:
IBWT
and the DR Says
MITO
Danilo
Gerrez
Luv
Astro
Lucas
Hash



Other people could invite:
I saw the following names on the "Viewing this thread" on a frequent basis during Maf 3:
Lamborini and Obi Wan.

Tobes seemed to follow Maf 1 and Maf 2 a fair bit... could try inviting him.


Also, could try posting an invite on the Newcastle forum if we don't get numbers.

 

Sorry, im out of this one

Busy at work and alot (annoyingly) in the evenings. + out on my bike a lot

 

I use Chrome on all devices (home and work PC plus mobile), I could only access the other forum from the PC, not phone.

 

The reason I said it the way I did is because i think it would be better if Mafia retained powers despite a certain member of their team being killed. From the previous games we've played, its pretty much been game over once the Don was hit. The last game was slow a drown out in the end because neither team had any powers (KGB couldn't use convert) left so had to rely on the voting.

 

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If we had enough people to have three or more teams, maybe killing the Don outs the whole team? That makes them fairly important members to that team

 

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/ sorry... wrong thread.

 

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