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  1. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    [h=1]Overtime should count in holiday pay[/h]Workers have won a groundbreaking case at the Employment Appeal Tribunal to include overtime in holiday pay.
    This means all people working voluntary overtime could claim for additional holiday pay. Currently, only basic pay counts when calculating holiday pay.

    The details of the ruling, particularly on whether claims can be backdated, have yet to be released. The ruling could be appealed to the Court of Appeal, meaning a final decision may be years away. The ruling has widespread implications for all companies paying overtime to their staff. The government estimates that one-sixth of the 30.8 million people in work get paid overtime. This means around five million workers could be entitled to more holiday pay. The coalition and business groups had argued strongly that overtime should not be included in holiday pay calculations. If claims can be backdated, businesses stand to lose billions of pounds, some estimates suggest. "Up until now some workers who are required to do overtime have been penalised for taking the time off they are entitled to," said Howard Beckett of Unite.
    "This ruling not only secures justice for our members who were short changed, but means employers have got to get their house in order."
     
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  2. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    That still does not explain WTC7.
     
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  3. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Edge does not like this, not one bit, no siree Bob
     
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  4. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    Pish for employers.
     
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  5. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    <laugh>


    I think it's pish for everyone, it's a ****ing farce.
     
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  6. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    I'm currently getting most of our guys to work self-employed, they get taxed less as do we, and they benefit from less NI too.
     
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  7. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    That's the way to go.
     
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  8. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Excellent news! Thank **** I rely on volunteers.
     
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  9. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    :bandit:
     
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  10. Otto Flayshow

    Otto Flayshow Well-Known Member

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    It's time this thread was laid to rest.

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  11. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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  12. E.T. Fairfax

    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    Poor Harry didn't get the chance to get much fiddling done!
     
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  13. stopmeandslapme

    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    If we had backdated overtime pay where I work the company would go bust tomorrow.
     
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  14. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Whit? How can you backdate overtime pay? You either did overtime at an agreed rate or you didn't.
     
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  15. stopmeandslapme

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    I don't think there is an agreed rate, you just don't get paid but are constantly under pressure to get stuff done "on time". I've worked in places where people were putting in extra hours but this place is something else. Like I said: if they paid us for the hours worked they'd most likely go bust.

    I'm "reskilling" at the moment, not sticking this for life.
     
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  16. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Yeah, brilliant. No sick pay, no holiday pay, and you can sack em when you want.
     
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  17. stopmeandslapme

    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    When I was contracting I got no sick or holiday pay yet I was earning more than twice what I'm on now. No sick pay would be a bummer if you got bad aids or something but then why should employers pay for aids ridden ****s to laze about or slags to keep sprogging for that matter?
     
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  18. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    That's not overtime. That's working extra hours. Your employment contract may well specify that you are required to work extra hours "within reason". You can tell them to **** off and every employment tribunal will back you up because the "within reason" bit is unenforceable.

    Overtime is an agreed rate per hour.
     
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  19. stopmeandslapme

    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    Ah right, ok. Pedant.

    My probation period ends this friday, got a meeting arranged for 4:30pm on that day in which I expect to be officially made a full employee or told to **** off. Strange place this. Really strange. My latest "challenge" is to provide a proof of concept that we can use a web service to read and write to the database using Web API 2. I know absolutely **** all about this **** but I've got to have a working example by end of tomorrow. Spent the afternoon installing Visual Studio 2013, took about 3 hours. Gonna have fun tomorrow...
     
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  20. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Tell them they're talking bollocks and shove the "Web API 2" up their arse. No such thing, and if there is, shove that further up their arse.

    As for "web services" if they're talking Microsoft's idea of what they are (SOAP, ASMX, etc) tell them to shove that up their arse too. It's overworked bullshit.

    If you want asynchronous services between a web page and it's server you only need JavaScript, the XmlHttpRequest (XHR) object, and URL's the XHR can call to retrieve data which is set by JavaScript and serviced by JavaScript upon return.

    On IIS you would expose an .ASHX which is a generic service type over which you have full control over content (sent via JavaScript setting an XHR instance) and on the server side under IIS you read the sent content in your ASHX implementation and do whatever is required (reading writing to a database as in your example).

    On Apache you would expose any one of PHP/Perl/Python services as a URL again set via JavaScript and called via XHR and serviced by JavaScript upon XHR return.

    It's a ****in doddle.

    Avoid like **** Microsoft's idea of what AJAX is.
     
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