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Don't Cry for Me Argentina-Saints singing "LIVERPOOL"

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    This <ok>

    methinks way too much effort being put in to discredit the guy for obvious reasons
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Mate, I don't know if he's a leader or not. It's one of the reasons why BR apparently bought him and looking around, pundits and fans call him a leader .... I honestly don't know it just seems you're at pains to dismiss it and I'm not sure why. Also you won't find too many players, if any, saying 'yes I'm a leader ...' who does that?

    The fact that Fonte has been made captain surely means your manager has faith in him to do a captains role - lead by example etc. Why you think this is indicative that he was a leader and Lovren wasn't when Lovren isn't even there now surprises me somewhat. So a player still at the club who has leadership qualities has been made captain ...... we've just made Henderson vice captain and I'm guessing he will get a lot of time as captain because Gerrard needs to be rested - does that mean Henderson is a leader figure, I don't think too many Liverpool fans see him that way.

    Do you think you're just annoyed because Lovren left in the way he did when there was so much promise?
     
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  3. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Yeah, Sakho is a quality player no doubt. A couple of bad games but I still think he'll be a beast for us
     
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  4. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    He is a decent player. Both he and Lallana caused massive resentment at Saints, and now most of us are just relieved that their replacements have hit the ground running. But I have no doubt both players will succeed with you. Thing is though, while they could both be replaced, a player of bitey boys quality is simply irreplaceable. Imo you've tried to strengthen your squad, which you had to do given your cl commitments, but your first team is inevitably weakened because you lost that rarest of things, a world class striker with a fantastic work rate.
     
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  5. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Saints are flying high, second in the league.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    looks like all i need revise from this post if southampton won't end up 10th if they keep going. 6th looks the worst they'll go do. good on them. What that also means is someone from spurs, utd, everton and us will finish 8th

    as of today i'd put spurs 7th (with ex southampton manager finding it hard right now) and us 8th with rodgers being sacked for his balotelli decision.......... but lallana money will be a nail in the coffin too.
     
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  7. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome
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    Jesus it werent that bad!!
    You only paid £16m for him didn't you? Not exactly the worst signing ever.
    Try Shevchenko or Torres.

    Also bear in my mind Balo has only played a dozen games for you, and your team hasn't exactly been playing to his strengths, playing him up front on his todd.
    I hate the guy if I am honest (Balo that is), but if Rodgers gets sacked for anything it should be spending the 100m + on several players when you should have replaced Suarez and bought 1 CB and 1 CM. You still could have got that Spanish fullback on loan (I get confused, is it Moreno or Mankiller who is on loan?).

    Say for example, you had 120m to spend right, this is just an example based on Chelsea's signings, because we needed the exact same positions as you:

    £36m Costa
    £32m Fabregas

    If you had signed them for arguments sake (putting aside whether you would have got them for whatever reason). That would have left you £60m + to spank on a CB and whatever else you needed.

    The players WERE there. You would have been better off signing Lukaku to be honest, He hasn't set the world alight this season, but thats because Everton have been woeful at the back and he hasn't seen any of the ball. I think Lukaku and Sturridge could have been a potent partnership.

    You were never going to replace Suarez with someone of equal quality.....there are only 2 or 3 players as good as him on the planet (cept they dont bite people), but Lukaku would have been better than Badontelly
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Well said.

    I agree to some extent.

    The young players we signed are very good players with immense potential. The issue I have is that the key players we needed to sign for the present i.e. the players to improve our starting XI are diabolical:

    Lallana £25m
    Lovren £20m
    Balotelli £16m

    Mario is the only one I have sympathy for because a) we're not playing to his strengths b) he was a last resort

    The other two are Rodgers's main targets all summer - the committee rejected signing Lovren last season for £10m and no other top club went in for Lallana.
     
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  9. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Table do not lie:

    Southampton 22poins and (+16 goal diff same as Chelsea)
    Liverpool 14poins (+0 goal diff)

    Who is laughing?
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    when it takes you to 8th it doesn't matter how much was spent its the fact that he's the only option upfront so if badontelly arrived as part of a 3 or 4 man set up and was benched wraming now... ok who cares. but he's not. borini refused to leave so only gets league cup game. lambert is sitting on bench watching balotelli wander about and sturrdige is injured. That means sturrdige balotelli was the two man line up. this decision is what will put LFC in 8th.....

    I do agree yes a lot of money spent on players playing the same positions like two lcbs or two wingers in lallana and markovic... and so forth and so on but the primary reason will be a total lack of goals and confidence due to a ruined forward line.

    I totally agree but forget lukaku, southampton and west ham prove that finding a good un is possible without 20 odd million being thrown at players.

    its more about the type of player then the name of player. they are all light, and "technical" in theory once you leave the defence area and none are first 11.

    the thing is you say lukaku but you are saying he'd be better than the very guy i say will cost rodgers. so.... you must kind of agree that he's a disaster zone.
     
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  11. Put that into context though. When you bought both of those, FFP didn't apply and your owner was happy to squander his cash in seek of a elusive CL trophy. We on the other hand have owners that want the club to run itself and the deal happened after FFP was introduced. Wasting money as never been a option for us (hard to believe I know <laugh>) and all clubs have to sensible with their money nowadays.
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I am cos they think it'll keep up all year. I've confidence in southampton finishing higher than lfc and spurs who took their staff and tried to take more... but their position is a false one but one to enjoy. I kind of hope they deliver a bit of silverware perhaps the league cup for themselves to mark the year cos that'd be a great achievement.
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    shevchenko blanking cost who thier job? think on that...

    torres cost anchelloti his job and i'd rgue you were a better team under him that under mourinho, especially for the neutral....
     
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  14. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    It could only be for financial reasons, why else would you leave a club on the up and one that is playing great football under a surprise package of a manager?
     
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  15. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome
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    To be fair Jose kicked and screamed against signing Sheva. He wanted Eto'o (Before he was an OAP), but Roman wanted Sheva and forced Jose to sign him by all accounts.
    That was the start of the deterioration of their relationship last time around. In the end Jose must have laughed as Sheva flopped.
    He was 30 when we signed him too.....who pays £30m for a striker past his best? Ridiculous.
     
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  16. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    player,club or both?

    usually the main reason why players move now days any way sadly, don't buy this in the cl,europa bull etc.

    club have no reason to sell do they? i know there was issues before, or murmurs any way, not sure how true it was mind.
     
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  17. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Chelsea FC. Thats who.
     
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  18. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Yes and not playing shevchenko amongst other things cost mourinho a job he should never have lost (but if he'd walked would he be the cheslea hero...)
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    actually its REALLY simple.

    there are two types of players

    1. pay cheque collectors

    2. winners

    these are the reasons. so with respect to your club how many cups do you expect to put on the shelf in the next 5 years? one? two? none? that's the reality. you are a lovely club, you've worked so hard on set up and academy and all the good things that drive your success but the moment another club steps in you know koeman will be off like Pochettino....



    You move for success.... if you are that way inclined and the money follows.... Look at spurs... gareth bale won NOTHING but a runners up medal at spurs. For all the great times he had the sum total of achievement was a 4th place i nthe legaue and a qf run in CL. he was bought for massive massive moeny but has copa del rey and CL medal in his back pocket now.

    You move for money..... and you collect the biggest pay cheque you can while you can. look again at spurs. Sigurdsson refused to follow rodgers to LFC and took and extra (reputed) 30k per week to jon spurs and is now back at swansea and dong ok. He moved for money. your own gaston rameriez is a fine example of player moving for money.

    if we look through the list of saints players who jumped ship and then sneiderlin.

    Chambers: arsenal came in.. he'd be nuts not to go and it's already catapulted him into CL and england set up
    shaw: Utd came in. sorry but he didn't move for money either
    Lallana: god f'n knows. was in england set up so did he really want to play CL? maybe.
    Lambert: retirement fund.
    Lovern: dream move for the mad serb... according to him.
    Sniederlin. wanted to go, said he wanted to go, did all he could to go. was it arsenal? well he's proven why by playing outstanding for you and has only inflated his reputation. I predict he'll move on still. contrast this to newcasltes tiote who has not been the same...


    The reality is despite great form.. and fair play to you... the thing is you are still southampton not man utd and teams like that (leaving us totally out of it) will pick and choose. Same for everton, barkely is much sought after, so is coleman... same for west ham now, same for west brom too. hell same for us with suarez and same for spurs with bale.

    Realistically again.. what are you going to win? League cup? Fa cup? 4th place trophy..... I hope you do win one. It made up the swansea fans and you lot deserve it after what you went through and where you've worked from and done. but don't think one cup is enough to be a success and make you big either. players will seek the glory always.
     
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  20. Bodinki

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    Roman Abramovich....that's who.
     
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