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January ins and outs - just a discussion

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Bob the slob, Nov 2, 2014.

  1. ProjectVRD

    ProjectVRD Well-Known Member

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    If he is then the plan is working, second or third least goals conceded in the Prem. Can't ask for much more.
     
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  2. JackSwan

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    Gomis is the cover for Bony come the January African Nations!
    Fulton could fill the midfield role, especially when Leon is back and a few more games - he has done well so far.
    Agree Taylor needs competition, and not for next year but right now - is Naughton the answer? He could cover both flanks.
    All in all, the team has its cover - but is it to the right standard! We will only know if they start to get some game time.
    Lets not be rash come January, we need another 12 points by Christmas and we can take it easy if we get more than that.
     
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  3. aswan_dam

    aswan_dam Well-Known Member

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    Highlight shortcomings by all means, but not to the point where Mr Slob wants him released from the club and Bigkidderz wants him relegated to Cup games. That, to me, is totally unjustified.
     
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  4. Dragonborn

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    Just opinions, Aswan. I like Taylor and Rangel but as a Club we are short of quality in depth.
     
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  5. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    The thread is about January Ins and Outs and, in my opinion, we can get a better left back in than Taylor. Initially to, at the very least, allow Taylor to rest, but with a long term view that the player brought in will have the quality to replace Taylor for first team league matches. If a left back that we buy hasn't got the capability to oust Taylor from the starting line up at some point in the future, you have to question if there's a reason to buy him. Taylor is playing too many games at the moment - full matches vs Leicester, Liverpool (a) and Everton (a) within 1 week would be testing for even the best players.

    I also want the defensive midfielder bought to eventually relegate Leon to Cup games. And I want the new defensive midfielder to relegate Shelvey to the bench and push Ki into Shelvey's box to box role.

    Doesn't mean I hate Leon, Shelvey or Taylor. But if you're buying players (again, I reiterate, the whole point of this thread), I'd hope that they're bought for first team duties - if not for this season, then at least with a view for the future.
     
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  6. roofjack_22

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    I just think we havent seen the best of Taylor yet.By the time Davies transfered he probably had more starts than the giy he replaced , Taylor. Was doing very well till his injury. Got 10 games in a row now so Monk will see how things go till the transfer market opens. Got a feeling hell losen up a little and have best 10 games fro here ...although this could be a jinx
     
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  7. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    Yes we have mate and that was 3 years ago. I would love him to be good enough as he is Welsh but, he for me is simply not a PL full back. A left back has to be priority come january. I also think we need 1 or 2 central midfield players. Our team I believe is stronger than last year but I think our overall squad is definitely lighter. Just my opinion though.
     
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  8. ProjectVRD

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    Forgive me for disagreeing but as our defence is a lot more solid than 17 other clubs' I would say a goalscoring option is our priority, 10 games with five clean sheets and and several draws suggests we need a player that will score goals from the midfield position which will tip us over the edge into win territory.
     
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  9. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    I cant argue to much with that. No one though will ever convince me that Taylor is a Pl full back. Sorry just my opinion. I know the figures say we are defending well. But cant help look at the points we have lost from the sloppy defending. The 2 goals we conceded at home to Newcastle were both poorly defended. But figures show we are not conceding so I have to concede that maybe we do need a player who can score from midfield, But I though Siggy was signed for that reason, also hasn't Dyer had a few this year.
     
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  10. roofjack_22

    roofjack_22 Well-Known Member

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    Lots of players make mistakes during games or on perticlar goals and plays and go by without a word.If Taylor even looks the wrong way , out come the knives. I pay no attention , it may sound funny coming from me but thank god Monk runs the team ....thats my opinion.
     
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  11. bigkidderz

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    Taylor is the best option for left back in our team, so I'm happy that he currently plays. The fact that there isn't another left back in our squad that comes close to his level is the worrying thing. A new left back must be brought in during the January transfer window.

    Whether Taylor is good, decent or poor is subjective, but the fact that we only have one left back capable of playing first team matches is a problem for us - that is not subjective.
     
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  12. roofjack_22

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    Jazz and Tiendilli are cover enough for me .If we transfer for help it's the defensive midfield role that my money is spent on.Otherwise I wouldnt spend money for the sake of spending money in defense or attacking players.Half our games are clean sheets, some when we are down a man.If we can leave a midfielder totally dedicated to defense maybe we can move up field with the others and gain a bit of possession back
     
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  13. aswan_dam

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    Now that I can agree with. We need cover for Taylor, which pretty much by definition also means competition for Taylor. What is up for argument is whether another left-back should replace Taylor as first choice (BKidd choice), be back-up for Taylor (my choice) or to allow Taylor to be chucked out of SCFC altogether (Bob the Slob choice). In my view the BtS choice is an extreme view which is totally ridiculous but is his opinion none the less.
     
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  14. Yankee_Jack

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    By January we should have Amat and Leon back and also Jazz.

    Unless we get a new crop of injuries before then I don't think we need to add for this campaign.

    However, if there are players at the end of contracts and they represent a clear step up then we should acquire them. I don't think we need to sell anybody and should resist any overtures on key players - Bony in particular.
     
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  15. bigkidderz

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    I think I've confused you with my comments. I think that the new left back should, short term, be there to back up Taylor (as new players shouldn't just be thrust into the team and Taylor doesn't deserve to be dropped unless severe loss of form/injury dictates), but in the long term, at least have the capability to be a first team left back ahead of Taylor.

    In other words, the new full back should either be equal or better than Taylor. Otherwise I fail to see the point in purchasing one! Kingsley is already the understudy, we don't need another in my opinion.
     
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  16. Bob the slob

    Bob the slob Well-Known Member

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    Given the only other left back is an injury hit rookie your statement is correct.

    The OP was about players in and out so hopefully we will get better in.
    (My personal opinion is central midfield player, Jazz Richards would offer a better option.)
     
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  17. Stumpy

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    Cover for Rangel.
    Not a direct replacement yet, even though I feel he's lost a step or two so we see him grabbing and blocking runners a lot more than before. Currently he is fine but he is only going to go one way I'm affraid, entropy gets us all, and we need to start addressing this now. Either give Jazz more games or get a replacement for Rangel before he becomes an issue. I want to remember him for his style and achievements, I don't want to see him punched out on the ropes. We need to look after him, now.

    Don't see the fuss surrounding Taylor. A few expected off the pace performances on his return but since he's getting stronger in defence and his confidence is coming back. Remember peeps, he's lost two years to a terrible injury, recovery and rehabilitation, Ramsey was crap his first year back, after a year out and look at him now. I honestly don't think we'll be missing Ben much longer.

    Definitely miss Leon and I agree with the many, that we need a full on defensive midfielder to free up Shelvey and Ki. Shelvey is happier, and a better player, in the opposing half of the field than ours.

    Another striker - I'm concerned over Gomis who simply isn't a replacement for Bony.
    Imho for a man Gomis' size, he is too easily nudged off the ball. He can't be relied upon to hold the ball up as an outlet when we're under pressure. Also, for a Man with his pace he is always a yard short of where he should be. Slower defenders can bump and cover him too easily.

    Emnes is not being considered as an out and out striker and apparently, as we speak, he is being re-styled into an out2in AM, similar to Pablo, according to a friend who's gardners dog walkers friends Mothers Aunties niece goes to school with one of the physio's daughters, so it must be true. Our very own U21 striker Modou Barrow maybe? He looks an exceptional talent.

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    No one will go imo, but if an offer came in for Gomis, I'd seriously consider it.
     
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  18. Bob the slob

    Bob the slob Well-Known Member

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    Would be happy with that analysis (apart from Taylor / left back / Davies).

    I've always thought Emnes a better AM than striker and he has shown some good link play with Bony.
    Gomis is starting to look like a bigger version of Donnelley (I know Gomis hasn't had much game time) as both get caught off side far too often and both move away from the ball to receive a pass which allows defenders more time & pace to intercept. Given the outlay and reported wages I can't see us getting any offers for Gomis.
     
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  19. Dragonborn

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    Like many I was hoping for big things from Gomis and 10 minutes here and there is hardly giving him a chance but he's played a few full halves now and although some of his play has been decent (not too bad on Saturday when he came on) he doesn't strike me as a clinical striker who only needs one or two chances to put the ball away.
     
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  20. Lauds Gendros Jack

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    Ye I thought Taylor had a good game on sat , he just needs to link up with Montero and that will be fine . just like dyer and rangel.
     
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