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Have we improved?

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Valencia25, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. Valencia25

    Valencia25 New Member

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    De Gea and Jones signings are not really improvements are they? De Gea has a fantastic future but is he better than VDS current? no and probably worse. Therefore, we are weaker than before in the GK area. As for Jones, like De Gea he has a very good future but he won't add much to us in present day. Won't improve us in any drastic way. Young, however, is an improvement on the left side, as he can play there very well. However, if it means Nani leaves, we have stagnated on the wings. Furthermore, have we signed a central midfielder yet? Will we? Pre season is not far away and we USUALLY get all our big signings out of the way before pre season. This is done to help them settle in with the squad and get a bit of chemistry with the players. However, there have been exceptions to this rule but I do have a feeling we won't sign anyone major in the midfield area.

    To be honest, come the end of the transfer window, I believe we will not have improved that much, whether that could prove costly is another question. Therefore only time can tell.
     
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  2. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The question is do we need to? Most of the positions (with the exeption of CM) are now as good as we can reasonably expect them to get.
     
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  3. Valencia25

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    Like I said, the midfield area. The general consensus is that we need to bolster in that area. It is the area which let us down in some occasions. As a football team Manchester United always aim to be the best we can be. Ferguson always aims to improve. Therefore, that area should be improved. I have my doubts though but Ferguson however does know best.
     
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  4. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Well we still need to wait and see regarding the centre midfield position. Is the question assuming we sign nobody from here on in. Then i think we have improved a little bit. Not a lot, but when you are a team as good as us it is much harder to make big improvements.
     
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  5. stopthepress

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    For many years, Ferguson has had unwavering faith in Darren Fletcher. Ever since he was a wee bairn. Even when it became clear that he wasn't going to be a great player, he still had the trust and belief of his manager, enabling him to perform to the best of his ability.

    This is why I don't think we'll sign a central midfielder. I don't think Ferguson will want to do anything that undermines the confidence of Fletcher or Carrick. In his eyes they're good enough, so we'll just have to live with it.
     
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    So much pessimism. Pass me the razor blades. The international window just opened for goodness sake.
     
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  7. redconn

    redconn Active Member

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    no you haven't. you're a little worse

    but everyone except Citeh is significantly worse than they were only a couple of seasons ago so it's not urgent to worry about
     
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  8. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    Well **** me sideways
    I thought this was the dipper board.

    Wait ands see who Lord Ferg brings in
     
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  9. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Like you say, we only really need to strengthen in midfield. Our attack was comfortably the best in the league last year. Our defence wasn't as good as it has been, but we rarely had a settled CB pairing and were lacking cover for Rio and Vidic. Hopefully the addition of Jones and the emergence of Smalling will sort that out.

    Left wing was a problem area in the league, and Young should fix that problem for us now. So all we need now is a top class CM, and the top class players rarely move at the very start of the window unless they are like Ronaldo and specifically request a move. Like I said before, if we're going to get a CM it will happen in late July, possible even August, when the top class players start looking at what deals have already been done and which clubs are looking like strong contenders in pre season. Also most top players will still be on holiday now, and as they are the men everyone want they won't cut their holiday short for the clubs.

    I dunno - he signed Hargo and Anderson in 2007, despite Carrick claiming that he felt this reduced his chances of getting into the 1st team. I reckon SAF recognises the strengths and weaknesses of our existing midfield and will to something to address it, even if it is bringing in a player who isn't a global superstar but will give us more balance in the centre.
     
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  10. Bolton4Europe

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    It's ****ing hard to find a keeper better than VDS...

    What your manager has done is brilliant and is the sort of thing you want to see in every club, put faith in a good player who is at a young age and do everything you can to make sure he becomes great. That's what you are gonnna attempt to do with De Gea.

    Good luck with that <ok>
     
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  11. SAF dried my hair

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    This is something I disagree with. If there's one thing SAF has always believed in it's having competition for places and having several good players for each position. Their confidence won't be undermined for having to fight for their place, if it did then Fletcher for one would have crumbled years ago considering he has spent most of his United career as a bit-part player. So that won't prevent SAF from signing a new central midfielder and rightly so. Surely SAF can see just like we do that there's an area that can be improved.

    And are we better than last season? Well it's kind of difficult to improve on Van der Sar, he was just so bloody good. De Gea providing he can settle in the EPL can be a s good as any keeper in the game. Jones is one for the future, it's clear Rio is on his way out and will miss more and more games with injuries so it's good to have players who are ready to step in when needed. And Young should offer something new to the team.
     
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    Make your mind up Nolhman. Not so long ago you said:

    So what is it? Great signings or poor?
     
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  13. la perla

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    De Gea is much better than Van Der Sar
     
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  14. Bolton4Europe

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    Care to explain?
     
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  15. BringBackfootie

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    He couldn't possibly be. I reckon he is maybe.. on par with a young Edwin van Der Sar, small van, but the keeper that retired, well, he had what 13 14 15 years of european leagues champions league and international football under his belt. <doh>

    Made 3 what I would call flaps in his time at United, Steady performer very and most importantly for a keeper consistent, good shot stopper too. My only failing was te speed at which he comes off his line but with the teams he's played for he's never had ot play a kind of sweeper keeper. Excellent career indeed.

    De Gea couldn't be better by any measurement really bar your own opinion
     
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  16. la perla

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    I understand he was steady but some of the saves De Gea makes are unbelievable. From what I have seen of both De Gea is better in most areas and he hasn't made a mistake yet despite playing in 3 finals at the age of 20. Search De Gea mistake into youtube and despite many people searching it you wont find anything. You have bought the future best goalie in the world and IMo only Casillas is better at the moment
     
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  17. Manobear

    Manobear I love cheeseburgers

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    Van Der Saar was also 40 this year. He wouldn't be able to make some of the saves De Gea is able to make. It's a lot hard to pick rockets out of the top corner when you have carry a walker with you. Personally I don't think Van Der Saar was the best shot stopper in the premier league any of his seasons here, But he is a great shot stopper, just not the best. What makes Edwin so good is his communication, positioning, and his consistency. Every time we needed him to make crucial save late in the game, he made it.

    There is no way in hell De Gea is close to the level Van Der Saar was on when he retired. I hope De Gea has the drive to emulate Van Der Saar. The potential is certainly there, it's just up to him to put it in the work to get there.
     
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  18. Valencia25

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    Constcrepe

    Did I say they were poor signings? Or are you digging for an argument. They are great signings. All will have great futures her, at least 2 of them. However, none will improve us now except maybe Young. What is your problem? Is everything really so black and white to you? Is everything simply great or poor in football? According to you something is either great or poor. You are too simple minded.
     
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  19. Swarbs

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    That depends on your point of view. VDS has retired, so without signing De Gea our first choice keeper would be Lindegaard or Kusczak. So on that basis De Gea definitely improves us. Likewise with Jones - Rio is unlikely to play much more than half the games next season and from what I've seen of Jones he is at a similar level to Smalling. So he will undoubtedly improve our squad and mean we aren't stuck playing Brown and Evans at CB like we were against Liverpool at Anfield this season. As for Young, he addresses an obvious weakness on the left wing, which was evident against Wolves, Liverpool and Chelsea last season, and thus is also going to improve us.

    So yes, I would say that all three players improve us as they all address clear weaknesses in the team and the squad.
     
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  20. BringBackfootie

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    Casillas for me has performed well for a long time and deserves his recognition. De Gea has ot play for some time to be considered alongside Casillias


    As for shotstopper, David James was a good stopper as a young keeper and ended up with Calamity james for a nickname

    Robinson?
     
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