Which is my exact view anyway. The players that supposedly have to play would play anyway as they are the best options we have generally in their position. There are a couple that might cause some debate but no different to what we have seen in the past, this time people just use Cellino as an excuse imo. Well I think we'll never know if he would've been successful, one thing is for certain though is that 32 days is not enough time to judge.
Agreed on the 32 days not being long enough. One point though, Cellino and or Salerno would likely have seen Milanic take training each day and I'm sure have been able to assess him from that and the players reaction to training. Maybe he was less than impressive there as well. He seemed more definite about sacking Milanic than the hoc. With the hoc, he at least change his mind a couple of times
With Hockaday didn't Cellino say he changed his mind because you should sleep on it and immediately after a defeat your emotions are not right?
He did and think he said he'd made up his mind on Milanic after the Norwich draw, so he didn't even get 32 days. One small alternative point I suppose, if Milanic was no good, which we don't know, better to act quickly. I don't know though Ristac, I'm just throwing the idea out there. One thing for sure, this season is now a write off as usual before we get into November
Cellino just about still has my support BUT we are entering an important phase... The promise to buy the ground back and how he handles the next coach appointment. I am finding myself getting more annoyed by the week with his contradictions and how he spits his dummy out when things go wrong, if he is smart he will understand the way it works in Italy isn't any good for the Championship. I am okay with him making the signings but he needs to step back after that, listen to the coaches needs a bit more, give them time and not take the cheapest option.
Disagree that it won't work in the Championship, Watford seem to be doing ok with the same model. There's no logical reason for it to only work in Italy but not here
Let's see where Watford finish this season, they should have walked it last season with the quality that they had. Looking at their current team there isn't a player who I wouldn't take here at Leeds. Maybe it can work but maybe you have to buy in far better quality players for it to do so Do Watford stick to a rigid diamond formation, do they have the players available to switch the style of play if it isn't working? I have no problem with Cellino buying the players but then he should step back. If things are not working with his choice of coach he needs to evaluate are the players he is signing not of a high enough calibre to meet his expectations or does he need to get a proven coach in and not the cheaper option or the gut feeling option. An owner managing from the sidelines will not work, players will have zero respect for the coach, they will cry to the owner when they get dropped. I hated the appointment of Hockaday but for Cellino to say to the press he needs to 'Baby sit" him and for him to tell Hockaday to "Shut the **** up" is totally wrong, zero respect from the owner and zero from the players.
QPR should have walked promotion instead of scraping through the playoffs, and they had the traditional British manager system in place where he had total control of recruitment and tactics. We've been down that route, ending with the totally inept 'been there got the t shirt' McDermott and his hoofball. If money is limited I'd rather live within our means and try the Italian method, but that can only work dependant on the quality of players recruited and calibre of the man employed to coach them. As for Watford they're a lot further down the line than we are, and their squad is more experienced and of a higher quality. We're two years behind them.
Like I said though, I can live with the owner buying the players in, not with the owner dabbling in formations, team selection and not giving the coach he employs any respect or adequate time in the job. Cellino has been good for us given our circumstances but he isn't all good, he has a lot of bad and negative points too.
This could have been the case. I did think he was quite negative as well, I've said this in previous posts but generally the defence is the first thing you try to sort out when you come to a club anyway. I'm not overly ok with him and Salerno making signings in truth, think the coach should really have what he wants in his mind to improve the team. This is the reason for the lack of wingers imo. but having said that he hasn't done poorly with the signing he has made. I do believe as a squad and first 11 we are stronger in every position since the grayson days, we were on a downward spiral. But I do very much agree with you on the coach, we should've gone and got Steve Clarke and kept with him for the season at the very least, he seems to view managers/head coaches as considerably less important than the rest of england.
I agree with most of what you have said but do you think money is actually limited since Cellino came in? Look at the players we signed, Doukara cost 1.5m alone, most of the players we brought in were for a reasonable fee and a lot were over the 1m mark. Adryan could sign next summer for almost 4m. If we did have a reasonably good championship manager let alone one that is prem quality which in all seriousness I think we could've got and the manager had full control of recruitment with those funds available do you think we would be challenging for promotion?
I no longer agree with the idea of managers being in control of recruitment. Average lifespan of a championship manager is 18months or less whereas average contract players get are three years. Do the sums, and inevitably each time a manager is sacked, you're left with his signings to deal with for a further 18 months. We've had that system and its a colossal failure. The money we've wasted on Grayson, Warnock and McDs rubbish leftovers is crippling us. No, Ill take the continental plan thank you
Either way a new coach is expected to come in and make do with what he has inherited, all you are really saying is you trust Cellinos signings over previous managers. If Cellino gets it wrong we end up with baggage. Josh makes a valid point, where would we be sitting now if a Steve Clark type coach had been in charge with the same funds available as Cellino has? Cellinos signings have been a little disguised, tell the coach it is diamond formation bring in a pile of central midfielders and pick the best 4. No problem then of having the risk of a Kebe or Stewart situation I guess. Cook, Mowatt and Austin have played more than Zan, Sloth, Ajose you could argue sign enough players of the same position and you have a chance of getting it right. Not doubting on paper we have a strong looking squad, just looking at it from both sides
Point taken Ristac but Brendan Rogers didn't buy Balotelli at Liverpool. Pool fans will tell you that two weeks before he signed Rogers said he wouldn't be coming.Signings are huge money these days and the most any manager will likely have is a say in who he wants
Given the size of our squad and the quality players at his disposal, I think any coach worth his salt would get this lot promoted.
Yea but that is just the poor system that managers are sacked so quickly especially in the champ. By leaving recruitment to someone else you are then giving the manager even less chance to succeed at his job. At the very very least I think a manager should be able to go to someone and say this is the position that I think we need to buy in and then they go off and find suitable targets that the manager then has a pick of. Yes, although we are lacking width which needs sorting before we can look at promotion imo. or at least play a formation which is much less rigid and more roaming than our current one. Having said that, to get us promoted we do need to give a manager a chance. I have been saying for years and years that you can't count on one season wonders, they do happen but its more than reasonable to pick a manager and stick with him for a couple years to see if he can get promotion. Stability will be the key imo. its doubtful that we will get it but it could happen if we do actually get a good manager in who actually shows some attributes worth keeping him on for another year.
